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"speaker_name": "Kikuyu, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah",
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"content": "As Hon. Junet Mohamed said, just like during the impeachment process, the former Deputy President appeared here looking very dark. Because he knew there was no cross- examination in the National Assembly during the impeachment process, he had the audacity and guts to try to defend himself here. However, he did not have the courage to face the House, where he would be cross-examined. He faked sickness and ended up being admitted at the Karen Hospital apparently in the same room and same bed. I want to speak to my good friend, Dr Gikonyo, a man of very high integrity and a good doctor in this country. I plead with him not to allow his hospital to be misused by these people who are otherwise common street criminals; I dare say. Hon. Koimburi, again, went to the media and said that Members of Parliament were being paid Ksh5 million each to impeach a deputy president who deserved nothing more than what he got. In fact, we should have impeached Rigathi Gachagua probably a year before. Kenyans will now vindicate this House because they were saved from greater trouble from this man and the drama that we are seeing. It is unfortunate that this circus has pulled in other dignified leaders like your good friend, former Vice-President Kalonzo Musyoka, whom I saw yesterday at The Karen Hospital, together with our former Speaker, JB Muturi, saying that some people claim there was self-abduction. It is now clear that Hon. Koimburi self-abducted himself. I appeared on a show on Al Jazeera on 5th February 2025 and I was put to task on the question of abductions in this country, because you remember the President committed to end abductions but many people never understood him. People would ask who is abducting people. I remember saying that there was information that had been shared saying there were Members of Parliament who planned to abduct themselves and blame on the state. Time is a healer and a vindicator. I think many things are being vindicated over time. The police said they were not abducting people but other forces. Kenyans now need to start filling in the gaps. As I said yesterday, when we were debating the Adjournment Motion by Hon. Junet, on 25th June 2025, Kenyans rallied around the country on account of misinformation and disinformation on the Finance Bill. We said to the nation that many of the provisions that were offensive to Kenyans had been removed from the Bill, but nobody listened because of the negativity and propaganda that had been pushed by this group. Wamunyoro is a very good village. I have confessed that I married a beautiful lady from Nyeri, in one of the villages in Mathira Constituency, represented by Hon. Wamumbi. Therefore, let us not accuse that good village. This is the character of a person and a group around him that believe that they can only advance opposition politics by using violence, deceit or bloodshed. That is why you saw the The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "things that were in the Adjournment Motion by Hon. Junet yesterday, including the unfortunate reference to the 2007 post-election violence. These are people who have no agenda for this country. All they desire is chaos and anarchy in our country. Hon. Speaker, I plead with you as the Chair of the Powers and Privileges Committee. Irrespective of what the National Police Service, the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) or the Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission (EACC) do with Hon. Koimburi, the Powers and Privileges Committee must be seized of this matter. I also want to speak to the people of Juja. They are a great people who have been denied proper representation in this House. I do not want to discuss the Member, but the people of Juja are suffering. I have been there and I know. Right now, I am addressing issues, in my office, touching on electricity connectivity in Juja. Their Member of Parliament had the audacity to send them a message on a WhatsApp group, telling them: “You can go ask for your electricity from Ruto. I left that Government.” Whether you are in Government or not, you are elected as a Member of Parliament to represent your people. When they ask you for services, answer them in a dignified manner. The police have done their work. The DPP must do his work. The EACC must do their work under Chapter 6 of the Constitution on the matter of ethics of public officers that Hon. Kimbra has contravened. The Powers and Privileges Committee, which you Chair, must now be seized of this matter and take necessary action. The people of Juja must know that they can recall a Member of Parliament who is not working, not serving their interests or not representing them. He is a Member of Parliament who believes that his only work is to accompany another man to funeral gatherings and other social gatherings, singing songs of praise to the man. I pray especially to you, as our Chair of the Powers and Privileges Committee, to do something not because of Hon. Koimburi but to save the dignity and honour of the office of Member of Parliament. I submit."
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"content": "Thank you. I do not want to open debate on this matter. Senior Counsel, I will give you a minute."
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"speaker_name": "Rarieda, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Let me, first, thank you for the wisdom of directing an enquiry through members of the relevant Committee. It is important to note that the concern to find out what happened is not born out of anything in our Standing Orders. It is a concern for a colleague. We must all be concerned when a colleague is in distress. Therefore, I find four very unique things about this matter. One, which is very positive on the part of the police, is the swiftness of the inquiry. I hope we can have such swiftness in all matters. Two, is the openness in terms of the updates of what happened. That is also a very good thing. The police are to be commended. There are also two very unique things that are to be discouraged. One is that we called on the police to do investigations but they were blocked from accessing our colleague, who is the only primary person who can give the most useful information. That is disabling the police, and then we might blame them. The second one is that something is developing where when one is admitted, people who are not medical practitioners give updates on their medical condition within the vicinity of the hospital. That usually does not happen in most hospitals. I think that is unique to this very able establishment, but it is not a good thing. You do not know if one is speaking authoritatively or not. That said, abduction is a very serious thing. Unlike my colleagues, I welcome the preliminary report by the police. As they have stated, it is a preliminary report. It is not a conclusive report. I expect that there will be a conclusive report. Once it is concluded, if indeed there were people who were involved in kidnapping our colleague, they must be prosecuted. But if indeed there were people who coined this up and it was not true, they too must be prosecuted. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"speaker_name": "Rarieda, ODM",
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"content": "Abductions and killings in this country have become so many and we do not want to speculate as to whether one has done it themselves or not, or if it has been done by the police or by crooks. Once investigations are concluded, unlike my colleagues, I believe the right thing to do is that the police must prosecute those who were involved. I do not agree that it is within the ambit of this House. I do not believe that you can bring matters that have happened outside the precincts of Parliament to the Powers and Privileges Committee. I think that matter is between our employers, the voters and the police, who ought to prosecute. Hon. Speaker, I commend your wisdom in handling this matter. I hope it comes to fruition and we get to the bottom of it. Let people be prosecuted so that it serves as an example, either way. Thank you."
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"content": "Let us have Hon. Mukunji and then Hon. Millie. I will then close the matter."
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"speaker_title": "Hon. Gitonga Mukunji",
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"content": " Thank you for your guidance in this House. Hon. Speaker, first, I want to say that security matters in this country must be taken with the seriousness they deserve. As we speak right now, I have demonstrations in Embu Town because of insecurity. Shops are being broken into and those are matters that touch this House. I believe that as the Senior Counsel has mentioned, we need conclusive reports on mattes to do with our colleague. And that is not the only matter. I believe that there are so many pending matters that touch on the confidence that people have with our police forces. We are yet to get reports on what happened to many Gen-Z during the demonstrations of last year. We are yet to get a report on various issues of abductions that have been reported of some young people in this country. As I sit here, I believe this House should be seen as a House that allows investigations to go on to conclusion. I believe your guidance is very clear that we get to the bottom of the matter regarding Hon. Koimburi. I have not visited him but I have seen the press conferences and I have seen the hand being pointed at the police force. I believe it is important for the Independent Policing Oversight Authority (IPOA) to come in because it is an extra-judicial matter. It is said that Hon. Kimbra had an issue and the police said they were looking for him. It was suspected that the police were the ones who were conducting this operation. Now that the Inspector-General has spoken, it is important to also get an independent body to give a report on the matter so that this House can be well guided when it comes to such matters. Today we had the National Prayer Breakfast and I believe it is not fair or right for my good friends, the Leader of the Majority Party and the Leader of the Minority Party to incriminate the former Deputy President just like that. It is right for them to bring evidence and show that he was involved in this matter. We should be fair and call it as it is. We are spending so much time talking about the former Deputy President when we have very serious matters to discuss in this House. We have matters to do with the national debt. We have matters to do with the Finance Bill. We have an issue on miraa that is being brought by the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party."
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"speaker_name": "Suna East, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Junet Mohamed",
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"content": " On a point of order, Hon. Speaker."
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"content": "There is a point of order, Hon. Mukunji."
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