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"content": "You may proceed, Hon. Umul."
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"speaker_title": "Hon. Umul Kheir Kassim",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I would like to second the Report of the audited accounts of the State Corporations which are Kenyatta National Hospital, Kenya Medical Supplies Authority (KEMSA), Kenya Veterinary Board, National Authority for the Campaign Against Alcohol and Drug Abuse (NACADA) and KBC. I will speak about five cross-cutting issues that came up while we were deliberating on the Report. One is on land. We found out that the land on which these State corporations sit on have no title deeds. They have active court cases, despite this House debating the issue in its previous terms. The tussles are on private developers and encroachment. The other cross- cutting issue is delay in availing documents to the Auditor-General. The State corporations delay in submitting documents to the office of the Auditor-General, contrary to the requirements of the Public Finance Management (PFM) Act, which requires the same within three months. The other cross-cutting issue is delay in accountability of imprest, which is contrary to the requirements of the PFM Act that requires seven days, as my Chairperson put it. The fourth cross-cutting issue is delay in appointment of directors of the boards. This contributes to poor decision making, poor governance and lack of policy guidance in the organisation. We found out that there is laxity in most of these issues. These are things that they can solve easily, but they decide to carry them on from one chief executive officer to the other. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I second the Motion."
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"content": "Yes, Leader of the Majority Party. Those Members who want to contribute, please, press the intervention button."
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"speaker_name": "Kikuyu, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Firstly, allow me to congratulate the Chairperson and the Members of the Public Investments Committee on Social Services, Administration and Agriculture for their diligent work. If the Members noticed, some of these accounts like those of NACADA run from the Financial Year 2017/2018 all the way to the Financial Year 2020/2021. Many of the accounts that you have seen, even for KBC, run back to the Financial Year 2000/2001 up to the Financial Year 2012/2013. I am saying this because it is important for our oversight committees to work to ensure that all the public sector audited accounts are up-to-date. The Auditor-General is very diligent in ensuring that she audits all parastatals and Government accounts by mid-year. Therefore, it behoves us, as a House, through the oversight committees - whether it is the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) or the three Public Investments Committees - to ensure that we review these audited accounts and make reports in good time. That is why I take the liberty to congratulate the Public Investments Committee on Social Services, Administration and Agriculture. Without anticipating debate, I also congratulate the Public Investments Committee on Governance and Education because I see they also have reports to be considered in Order No.10. To also note, some of the parastatals whose accounts have been reviewed, like Kenyatta National Hospital, as much as they are up to 2020, there are pertinent issues that I heard the Chairman speak to yesterday, which need to be addressed. More importantly, if you go through that Report, you see the issue of undeclared or unaccounted for imprests. Imprest is not free money to be given to public officers. Every Government agency should follow the example of Parliament. Members of Parliament also get imprests. For instance, you get per diem when you are travelling. If you do not account for it, it will either be recovered from your salary the following month, or the next time you are due to get imprest, you will not get it. That is why in our audited accounts, as Parliament, you will never find unaccounted for imprest, be it from Members or staff. All these Public Investments Committees, whether it is that on Social Services, Administration and Agriculture, or that on Governance, or even the one on Commercial Services, should ensure that they move towards a system where imprest is accounted for promptly, as the Chairman was pushing yesterday in his moving. I keenly listened to the Chairman, Hon. Wangwe; issues that touch on all these parastatals, whether it is Kenyatta National Hospital, KEMSA, the Kenya Veterinary Board, or NACADA, all have an overriding issue of unaccounted for imprest. It must be clear to every public officer that when you get imprest, this is money to carry on your official work. Once you are done, you should account for that money. If you do not account for it, then you should be surcharged. I agree with what the Committee has recommended. Ultimately, the buck stops with the office of the accounting officer. In this case, the principal secretaries in those ministries. If they do not enforce, as holders of the authority, to require expenditure in the parastatals to ensure that they recover the imprest, then they should be surcharged. It is part of their accountability that they have been charged with as accounting officers. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "Secondly, allow me to speak about KEMSA. The Chairman, Hon. Wangwe, stipulated that they have reviewed their accounts from the Financial Year 2017/2018 and the Financial Year 2018/2019. The year we are waiting for is 2020/2021. This is why I am saying that we must push our accounting committees to review all these accounts promptly and report to the House so that action is taken at the right time. We have been waiting to know who the COVID billionaires are. Now you have reviewed their accounts up to the year 2018/2019, the pre- COVID period."
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"speaker_name": "Navakholo, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Emmanuel Wangwe",
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"content": " Point of information."
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"content": " I would allow the Chairman to inform me."
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