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"content": "There is a point of order. What is your point of order, Member for Gem Constituency?"
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"content": " Hon. Deputy Speaker, I have listened to the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education, my brother, Hon. Melly. He did not dispute a fact that the Member said, that the Committee swallowed the report from the Ministry. From a phonological point of view, that English is incorrect. Thank you."
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"content": "I hope Hon. Toroitich you stand corrected. You can still write further questions for the Committee."
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"speaker_name": "Marakwet West, Independent",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Timothy Kipchumba",
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"content": " Hon. Deputy Speaker, they swallowed the report of the Ministry hook, line and sinker. I have no apologies about that. They just took the report of the Ministry as it is, without further interrogating it. Chairman…"
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"content": "Hon. Toroitich, you are a lawyer. In a court, if only the plaintiff is there and the defender does not appear, the court will make a decision based on the presentations and petition of the plaintiff, without considering those from the defender. That is why we have default judgments and you know that. Therefore, in your absence to prosecute your case, the decision makers only rely on one side. I think it is important that you take responsibility. You can ask the Committee to re-look at your matter, but on the undertaking that you will appear."
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"content": " Hon. Deputy Speaker, with due respect to the ruling you have given, Article 125 is very clear. That when a Committee of Parliament is sitting, it is equivalent to the High Court. They should interrogate witnesses. They should actually visit the sites that I have mentioned so that they can take evidence. The Committee has given a report that is unsubstantiated. Therefore, pursuant to Article 125 as read with Standing Order 1, I kindly request that you direct that the Committee visits the projects to ascertain the actual problem that we have on the ground. Thank you."
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"content": "Hon. Toroitich, I do not think you understand. Let me repeat what I said. You have said that committees have the powers of a High Court, like we had said. Our courts are an adversarial system. Both sides must appear. If one side does not, a default judgement, that means a judgement in the absence of considering the other side's case will be The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "made. Had you appeared before the Committee, you would have requested that they visit the sites. You wanted the Committee to move on its own motion, without guidance from you who had asked the question? Yes, what you have raised is very significant and I recognise that. That is why I am saying that the easiest way to resolve the problem in the interest of the members of the public and the students who are suffering, is to raise your matter again before the Committee. This time, be present and request that the Committee goes to the sites with your guidance since you know those particular sites, and look into the matter. That way, the matter will be resolved. The blame game will not help the members of the public whom we are trying to serve."
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"speaker_title": "Hon. Timothy Kipchumba",
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"content": " I am well guided, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Having made that Ruling, I also request that you re-direct that this matter be taken back to the Committee. I will do a letter to reappear before the Committee and make my submissions, so that the Committee can fully investigate this matter. This is because there is no value for money for these projects. The Ministry has used a lot of money for these projects. You will be shocked…"
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"content": "Hon. Toroitich, mentioning rhetorics does not solve the problem. That is why I am giving you a solution. Resubmit your request to the Committee, pointing out the shortcomings of the report that has been presented. But avail yourself so that you can interrogate the presentation made by the Cabinet Secretary then we move forward. But passing accusations and making rhetoric statements will not help the public. That is why I am saying we go to the solution. We will close this matter. We have agreed what you need to do. Hon. Member for Baringo North, let us proceed."
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