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"content": "It should also be understood that the effort we have of helping the Judiciary help Kenyans access justice by constructing courts will not be possible. As we speak, about 40 courts have been constructed through the use of NG-CDF, the first of which I am proud of, was in my Constituency, Rarieda. It should be understood that counties cannot help in the construction of police stations because the security function belongs to national Government. The idea of solarisation of energy that many constituencies have undertaken in schools will not be possible. In terms of fishing, because I come from a fishing community, we even provide for speedboats and all that through the committee, but that will now, not be possible. Of importance, is that the history of this Bill is founded on the National Dialogue Committee (NADCO). Hon. Murugara and I chaired the first phase of NADCO, while the second phase was co-chaired by the Leader of the Majority Party and Hon. Kalonzo Musyoka, expressly recommended the entrenchment of NG-CDF in the Constitution. To the extent that the NADCO Report reflects the wishes of Kenyans, we are merely agents of implementation of those wishes. It should be understood, and the Report is here that we had public participation which was immense and widespread and is encapsulated in this 500-page document by the greatest number of Kenyans who have ever participated. There is not much more to say on this except that it is in keeping with the wishes of Kenyans; it is in keeping with the doctrines of constitutionalism; it is in keeping with the desire to decentralise power in terms of what we have called imperial powers of the presidency; and in keeping with the service to our constituents in terms of representation that the National The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "Government Constituency Fund (NGCF) should be entrenched. We have studiously avoided the use of the word development because some people have an issue with the idea of development. We are focusing on decentralisation of the Funds and functions. The details of how all these three Funds will be implemented will come in subsequent legislation. There is nothing unconstitutional in terms of entrenching these funds. Hon. Deputy Speaker, I wish to call upon Hon. George Murugara to second. Thank you."
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"content": " Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I stand to second this Bill and thank Hon. Otiende Amollo, Senior Counsel, for the many things he has done which are positive as regards the Constitution of the Republic of Kenya which we enjoy today, especially the fundamental freedoms that we see in the country, including what was being exercised yesterday, although it may have gone overboard from the provisions of the Constitution. Hon. Otiende Amollo was an expert when we were promulgating the Constitution of Kenya in 2010. He was in it and it is in his fingertips and therefore when he speaks, the Constitution of Kenya speaks. Hon. Otiende Amollo was also one of the beneficiaries of the new Constitution as it brought him to Parliament as a fresher. Again, he was a proponent of the various laws that were to be made under that particular Constitution and most of them have been enacted already and there are Acts of Parliament which we rely on as part of our law practice. A myriad of cases have faced the National Assembly and Members of Parliament as regards NG-CDF as it stands today. We know very well that some of those cases are by the detractors of the people against the will of Kenyans. In fact, we did public participation regarding this proposal, which is again being moved by Hon. Otiende Amollo. It is likely to be the first successful constitutional amendment in the country after 2010. He again goes into making history in that he has amended a document that he proposed at that particular time to the benefit of Kenyans. If anybody thinks they can go against the NG-CDF as it stands today and what we intend to entrench in the Constitution, let us go to a referendum. We will receive the highest number of positive votes more than any other proposal. The net effect is that Kenyans are fully in agreement with what this House intends to do. NG-CDF needs to sit pretty in the highest law on the land against any challenges by detractors, including the so-called Council of Governors. Hon. Members, let us solve this problem once and for all. There is nothing new we will say today, apart from speaking on behalf of the County Women Representatives in this country and House. National Government Affirmative Action Fund (NGAAF) which we are also entrenching in the Constitution should not bring any worries There is a provision for national legislation where the National Government money will be split. We will not touch the county allocation or any other money. After division of revenue, we will go to the National Government share of revenue so that these monies are divided as appropriate. The same goes for the Senate Oversight Fund. Even if they have any issues, we will tell them to pass the Constitution of Kenya (Amendment) Bill. We will solve them as soon as we entrench the three Funds in the Constitution. Generation Z usually talks about positive vibes which are positive attributes regarding a particular subject. As far as NG-CDF is concerned, we have a lot to say which we call positive vibes. What has NG-CDF done in this country? We repeat that it has nothing to do with individual Members of Parliament in this House. It is run by an independent Board. At the local level, we have the NG-CDF Committee which is The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "formed by the Board, brought to this House, approved and starts working. We approved certain NG-CDF Committees of certain constituencies this morning. Members of Parliament from those constituencies have no role to play. Therefore, nobody - not even our courts, Senate and the Executive - should ever try to attribute NG-CDF to Members of Parliament. As soon as we pass this Bill, let us move to national legislation. This is where we will determine the percentages of the National Government’s revenue which will go to the three Funds. This will be fair and just. We will bear in mind the fact that if you want to see development today, look at NG-CDF. I can assure you that we have counties, including Tharaka-Nithi, that will receive not less than Ksh6 billion. When you compare the little amount of money two Members of Parliament and I get, you will see that we outshine the county governments, in spite of it being not more than Ksh450 million for the three constituencies. The county government gets over Ksh6 billion which is supposed to develop it into what it should be. Hon. Members, I urge you to support this Bill. Let us debate it soberly and inform Kenyans what we are doing. In any event, I am sure Kenyans are watching and are in full agreement with us. What we are doing here is what they want us to do and see, especially in the rural constituencies which do not have a lot to talk about. This is the only money that is visible down in the rural constituencies. It saves poor children who are in school and do not have any means of paying school fees. It is money from the Government that assists them. NG-CDF does many other things. We give out bursaries and construct classrooms, chiefs’ offices and police posts. We do all these so that Kenyans can enjoy services closer to them. I agree with Hon. Otiende Amollo. We have even gone on to build courts so that we can bring judicial services closer to the people. All these are not done by Members of Parliament. We only oversee the projects. The NG-CDF Committee does everything. We only ensure that the monies are spent as budgeted. With those very many remarks, allow me to second this particular Bill. Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker."
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"content": " I thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I rise to support this Bill. I congratulate the Mover for articulating law issues on this Bill. If there is any activity that is close to the people and binds them with the Government, is NG-CDF and NGAAF because of what the County Women Representatives do in this country with it. We know that the Senators are very keen to enhance their oversight responsibilities at the county governments. Therefore, I support this Bill. I also acknowledge what Kenyans did during the public participation. For example, in Buuri Constituency where I come from and represent, there were only two people who opposed the enactment of this Bill. They are activists who do not understand the difference between decentralised funds and devolution. I thank Hon. Otiende Amollo for setting the record straight. I am sure I will give the answer to those two people. NG-CDF has performed very well, since inception. We, as Members of Parliament, are beneficiaries of NG-CDF in this House. Through it, the families that are unable to educate their children survive. This is the best managed Fund. It is run by a Committee. Each project is run by Project Management Committee who are representatives of the people. The Members of The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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