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"speaker_name": "Eldama Ravine, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Musa Sirma",
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"content": " Thank you Hon. Temporary Speaker for giving me the opportunity to give my views and support the entrenchment into the Constitution of the NG-CDF, NGAAF and the Senate Oversight Fund. First, I would like to thank Hon. Muriuki Karue, who did a good job. I was in this House at that time and before, there was nothing else people were doing in the rural areas. They were The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"speaker_name": "Eldama Ravine, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Musa Sirma",
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"content": "busy selling their cows and their produce to build schools. Schools were built exclusively by parents who had children in school and well-wishers. But currently, what has happened is a transformation of this country. We have lessened the burdens of the public through the provision of funds that are people-driven. The committees that have been set aside and gazetted by the Attorney-General are going to work tirelessly to make sure that the Funds are managed and what people need is given priority. These Funds are an equaliser to all. They enable the poor to take their children to school and ensure equitable development no matter what kind of government is there. The NG-CDF will equalise all the areas in the country. Everybody will feel what they pay, in terms of taxes. We also want the Fund to be entrenched in the Constitution because we have serious litigants in this country. Kenya has evolved into a very serious democratic country which has never been seen in Africa. Everybody has a right to challenge whatever is done in this House. They go to court. They are also allowed to run in the streets and say what they require. Entrenching this Fund is the right thing so that we shield it from being destroyed by litigants and others who do not wish other people well. Hon. Temporary Speaker, compare what NG-CDF does in the constituencies with what county governments do in various areas. NG-CDF builds schools. The county governments have only one responsibility in education—to build the Early Childhood Development (ECD) classes which are only two in every primary school. After the enactment of the Constitution to have the county governments, we are in the 12th year. In fact, the governors have not finished building nursery schools which are only two classes. The NG-CDF Boards and Committees in the constituencies build classes. They are almost done. So, we need to support the entrenchment of NG-CDF in the Constitution so that we support constituencies. I wish we had included Wards Development Fund in the Bill, so that we can take some money from the county governments and give it to the wards’ representatives. This would enable us to have a management system in the wards, so that we see development on the ground. Since we do not have it in the Bill this time, I hope Members can think about it so that we entrench Wards Development Fund in the Constitution. County governments are allocated Ksh400 plus in billions. Every constituency is allocated almost Ksh54 million from NG-CDF. When you compare the two, it is like day and night. That is why governors pass through courts at the end of every term to be washed before they go home. We do not know how we will protect Kenyans’ money from being misused. There are reforms which will be required after the Fund is entrenched in the Constitution. Members should think about how we shall give strict rules and regulations and the Act to the Board, so that they can manage the Fund effectively. If we entrench the three Funds in the Constitution, we need to think about what we want to make sure they are perfect and out of the litigation area. Kenyans deserve to live better lives. Their children should go to school. We should empower women and people with disabilities in this country. The only solution is NG-CDF and NGAAF. Therefore, I support that we entrench these Funds in the Constitution. Thank you."
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"content": "(Hon. Martha Wangari) Member for Wajir West, Hon. Yussuf Mohamed."
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"speaker_name": "Wajir West, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Yussuf Farah",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity to support the entrenchment of NG-CDF and NGAAF in the Constitution. Kenyans spoke. We did public participation everywhere in this country. Kenyans supported the Bill overwhelmingly. This clearly shows the trust they have in NG-CDF and NGAAF. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"speaker_name": "Wajir West, ODM",
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"content": "I do not want to debate with Governors who claim these specific Funds should be abolished or taken off from the records. Even if this money is taken back by the National Government today, it will not be allocated to the county governments. Why? This is because NG-CDF functions are very clear and distinct. NG-CDF and NGAAF do National Government functions, specifically education, security and energy. If these Funds are abolished, where will the Governors and county governments get money to fund the gap? If they are able to do it, they could have done it now. Education and security are not devolved functions. The people who are advocating for the removal of these Funds do not understand what the person at the grassroots level feels about it. These are people who are able to pay school fees for their children, and do other things that NG-CDF does for Kenyans. As much as we argue whether we entrench the Funds or not, we need to understand the following: 1. Are these funds meant for specific Members of Parliament? 2. Are the funds being used by Members of Parliament for their own gains? We all know these funds are used for a specific purpose by a Board. The Members of Parliament do their oversight role, which is to confirm and make sure that money is used appropriately or in the right way that is required by law. Some Kenyans believe that these funds are used by Members of Parliament which is neither here nor there. It is hot air. They know it, but they do it because they do not want these funds to go to the village level. Today, if we say that we abolish these Funds, what will happen to the people of Wajir West? What will happen to the schools from the remotest places in this country? The schools that could not get any infrastructure development funding from the national government since inception. Their only source of funding is NG-CDF. There is no school in Wajir West that was not either built, or equipped by NG-CDF. That clearly shows that this money is doing exactly what the two levels of government were supposed to do. It would be very unfair to the people of Wajir West if these Funds were removed. On behalf of the people of Wajir West, I want to say on record that these Funds should be entrenched into the Constitution. Hon. Temporary Speaker, I have seen some busybodies, I call them so, because they always run to the courts to challenge whatever is good for this country. It is unfortunate that even those who are at the corridors of justice or courts to challenge the legality of these Funds, come to Members of Parliament or go to the NG-CDF committees to request for bursaries. That includes the judges. They go to the NG-CDF committee in their constituency to request for funds and in that same place they are here ruling against the legality of these Funds. Everybody knows, whether these Funds support the people of Kenya properly or not. What we need as a House--- I can see Members of Parliament are not around today. I urge everybody to come so that we can attain two thirds. Most of the Members of Parliament should come and vote. I withdraw before---"
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"speaker_name": "Kericho County, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Beatrice Kemei",
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"content": " On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Martha Wangari",
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"content": " Hon. Beatrice Kemei, what is out of order?"
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"speaker_name": "Kericho County, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Beatrice Kemei",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Is it in order for the Hon. Member to say that Members of Parliament are not in this House yet we are all here? Let him debate on what he wants to say but not to say that we are not here."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Martha Wangari",
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"content": " Hon. Mohamed has already corrected. I think what he means is that we must attain 233 in the afternoon. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"speaker_name": "Wajir West, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Yussuf Farah",
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"content": " Yes, Hon. Temporary Speaker. We must attain the threshold of 233 Members today, so that we entrench this Bill into the Constitution. If we are serious about this Bill, the people of Kenya and our children, we must entrench this Bill into the Constitution. With those few remarks, I support the Bill. Thank you for giving me this opportunity."
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