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"content": " Do not tell me to sit. We are legislators."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I am sorry, I withdraw. We are debating NG-CDF and NGAAF, but I am hearing very fundamental contribution on police brutality and other issues that we should do. Could the contributor, the Hon. Member for Nairobi City County, explain whether that is related to enshrining NG-CDF and NGAAF into the Constitution? Thank you."
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"content": " Hon. Passaris, by the Standing Orders, you will maintain relevance to the debate."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, but I cannot be ignorant of what happened in my county yesterday and in the country at large. As legislators and representatives of the people, it would be remiss of me not to offer condolences to all the people that lost their loved ones and continue to lose their loved ones because the civil society cannot hold itself and its horses. The political wing is also trying to undermine the country. As I stand here, I speak as a patron of NGAAF. I have seen all these Funds - NGAAF and NG-CDF - being riddled with many court battles and the thing is nobody wants to understand the impact these Funds have on the society. I came to know about NG-CDF when I first came to Parliament. The late Hon. Ken Okoth had invited me to Kibra Constituency where he was opening a school funded by NG-CDF. It was not him who had funded. So, as Member of Parliament he ensured that NG-CDF for Kibra was used for the job that it was allocated. He ensured that the desired standards were observed. The committee members and NG-CDF board members oversaw the fund. Therefore, they owned the school construction project. As the area Member of Parliament, he only gave leadership. I am the patron of NGAAF in Nairobi County and I receive a lot of money for various votes. One of the votes is the county wide vote. When the committee members realised that there was an increase of Sexual and Gender-Based Violence (SGBV), they decided to save the money. We bought land and the money is being used to put up the first county owned safe house in Nairobi County. That could not have happened if we left everything to the governors and the Executive. Nobody had thought of building a safe house in Nairobi. I have seen a number of county women representatives building safe houses and rehabilitation centres. Therefore, these gaps are being addressed by this Fund. During the COVID-19 scourge, the mama-fuas came to us complaining that they could not go into clients houses to wash clothes and their businesses were going down. The NGAAF Committee sat and decided to create stations for them to operate from. We equipped the stations with washing machines, driers and ironing boards so that they could conduct their businesses. That gap that was bridged by NGAAF. There are so many other projects The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "that we do. We empower people to start businesses like running a posho mill, Television Centres and buy motor bikes for bodaboda business. NG-CDF plays its role. People always go to court because of this Fund. They end-up derailing its role in terms of providing bursaries for education, affirmative action, provisions for persons living with disabilities and building police stations. When you go to Ruaraka Constituency, Hon. T. J. Kajwang’ has put up a police station. The Judiciary once engaged us as Members of Parliament when they needed more courts. They wanted us to allocate money for building courts so as to bring services closer to the people. This Fund needs to be entrenched in the law. So, that we stop the back and forth of court cases and it can continue to do the good work. After 20 years, some people are saying that this Fund should go. They cannot see that it meets the needs in the grassroots areas. You know, other countries want such a Fund. I hope that we will entrench NG-CDF in the law and NGAAF will be apportioned a percentage like that of NG-CDF. So, that as the economy grows, it also grows. NGAAF cannot be constantly at Ksh3 billion. I support all these Funds so that we can effectively deliver at the grassroots in real time as required. The Members of Parliament are just patrons who ensure that their people are served well. Thank you."
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"content": " The Member for Nambale, Hon. Geofrey Mulanya."
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"speaker_title": "Hon. Geoffrey Mulanya",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker for giving me the opportunity to add my voice to this Bill. The fight against NG-CDF is not just about the Fund. It is a misplaced fight where many people are fighting Members of Parliament. So, they wrongly direct their anger to the Fund. When you walk around the country you will realise the gains made by the NG-CDF. In my constituency Nambale, we have many new schools that were constructed using the Fund. Article 53 of the Constitution guarantees Kenyan children free basic education. How will we achieve this? It cannot be achieved if our children have to cover two to three kilometres to school. In Nambale Constituency, we have earmarked the construction of six new schools. The only fund that can help the people to achieve this is NG-CDF. It will be used to build these schools near homes to enable children easy access. The judges who seat in courts and decide cases are products of government schools. In these current times, we cannot have school children walking a distance of three kilometres to attend school. That is why we build schools near homes so as to reduce the walking distance. In most parts of our country, Chiefs and Assistant Chiefs initially never used to have offices. All the gains made for our people to be served properly by administrative units were made through NG-CDF. People say NG-CDF is pocket money for Members of Parliament. Withdrawing this Fund will be a great injustice to Kenyans. The only option we have is to entrench it in the Constitution. Then, increase allocation so it can be used for development in the rural areas. People are saying that the Fund offends the doctrine of separation of powers. However, we must appreciate that it applies to the National Government functions like education, security and administration. People want it withdrawn yet it will not affect the county governments allocations because they have their own allocations. As has been said, we are 13 years into devolution. In many parts of this country, some schools do not have the Early Childhood Development and Education (ECDE) classes. So, county governments must concentrate on the funds allocated to them. They should allow the National The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "Government to perform its functions. Members of Parliament are mere patrons. Our duty is to ensure that there is equity in the distribution and application of the Funds in all parts of our constituencies. We are not involved in its appropriation and expenditure. I have never seen a NG- CDF cheque in my constituency. I only see bursary cheques as I supervise their distribution. So, I support the entrenchment of NG-CDF in the Constitution. So, as to stop the busy bodies who rush to the courts saying that the Fund is unconstitutional. I support."
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