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"speaker_name": "Molo, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Kuria Kimani",
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"content": "collected at the same time last year, we are still off target. Therefore, this necessitated the need to reduce the expenditures in line with the reduction in the actual revenues that occurred. However, it is very important to note that this Parliament, being the House that appropriates money, has endeavoured to reduce our deficit as a percentage of Gross Domestic Product (GDP). In the Financial Year 2022/2023, the deficit as a percentage of GDP was 5.7 per cent. In 2023/2024, we were able to reduce it to 4.9 per cent. For 2024/2025, we have brought it further down to 3.1 per cent. It means that this House has been cognisant of fiscal discipline and measures being put in place by the National Treasury, and we have agreed with them. We look forward to a time when our deficit as a percentage of GDP will be zero. Hon. Deputy Speaker, it is possible that in the next few years, especially with the decision to focus more on non-tax revenue, which includes Appropriations-in-Aid and Public- Private Participation projects, we will reach a point where this House will pass a balanced Budget. We will not have to borrow, whether externally or domestically, to finance the Budget. Article 223 is necessitated by emergencies that may not have been envisioned. With those remarks, Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to support the Report of the Budget and Appropriations Committee. I urge this House to support it. Thank you."
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"content": "Hon. TJ, I gave you an opportunity to ventilate on what you thought about this Supplementary Budget. Please also allow other Members to air their views."
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"content": "(Hon. TJ Kajwang’ spoke off the record)"
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"content": "Hon. TJ, I have not given you the opportunity to speak. I will allow you to respond after everyone has spoken. Kindly sit. I will get to you. Let us now have Hon. Ochieng’."
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"speaker_name": "Ugenya, MDG",
"speaker_title": "Hon. David Ochieng’",
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"content": " Hon. Deputy Speaker, this is not the first time we are doing a third Supplementary Estimates. In fact, there are times when it has been done on the last day of a financial year. These Estimates were tabled here one week ago. They were accordingly committed to all the Committees concerned. I sit in the Budget and Appropriations Committee. All chairpersons of Committees were given the opportunity to appear before the Budget and Appropriations Committee. In fact, more than half of the Committee Chairpersons appeared before the Committee. It is, therefore, not true to say that Committees had no chance to look at this document. More than half of the Committee Chairpersons appeared. In fact, for those who did not appear, it means that they were happy with the recommended cuts or increases, as it were. I, therefore, want to disagree with Hon. Kajwang’. Every Committee had a chance to sit, look at the Supplementary Estimates III and appear before the Budget and Appropriations Committee. On Monday, 23rd June 2025, we sat at a venue. There were times we sat for two hours waiting for Chairpersons, but they never appeared. We cannot force them to come before the Budget and Appropriations Committee. That is what happened. Let me tell the House that the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning, the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock, and the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education all appeared. Those who did not appear, Hon. Deputy Speaker, let no one lie to you, sent letters to the Budget and Appropriations Committee telling us what they believe should happen. So, in terms of participation, Hon. Deputy Speaker, I want to assure and confirm to you that every single Committee participated in the process of the Supplementary Estimates III. It is wrong to say they did not. It is important to note that this is not the stage where we are going to start saying that there are sinister motives about a third Supplementary Estimates. The Hon. Member knows"
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"speaker_name": "Ugenya, MDG",
"speaker_title": "Hon. David Ochieng’",
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"content": "The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"speaker_name": "Ugenya, MDG",
"speaker_title": "Hon. David Ochieng’",
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"content": "that there are times when we have discussed a third Supplementary Estimate on 29th June. If the country feels that monies we put in a State Department will not be spent and should be moved, and if there are monies that are lacking for a department that is crucial, like security... What do we do? Do we sit back and say that if we put it, Hon. Oundo will say that this is sinister? This Parliament must do its job regardless of what someone thinks, sinister or not. I support this Report and support the Supplementary Estimates III."
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"content": "Hon. Mugambi, I will give you two minutes."
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"speaker_name": "Buuri, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon Mugambi Rindikiri",
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"content": " Thank you. I was looking at the State Department of Housing and Public Works because I am the Vice-Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Housing, Urban Planning and Public Works. I have looked at the Estimates and what has come up. One of the greatest problems we face, particularly in the State Department of Public Works, is that it has been stifled from the beginning. In all the Supplementary Budgets, there is nothing positive that comes to the State Department of Public Works. When I see this coming towards the tail end of a financial year, it is really discouraging. Let us not forget that the National Government Constituencies Development Fund (NG- CDF) money was reduced. Let it be on record that it is not right not to scrutinise what is being presented to the House. That is my concern. I repeat that the State Department of Public Works has been stifled and continues to be stifled. Somebody needs to be sensitive to that State Department. Therefore, the Budget and Appropriations Committee and the National Treasury must be sensitive, as we are likely to close some State departments at the end of the day. I thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker."
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"content": "Member for Laikipia, Hon. Jane Kagiri."
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