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"content": " There is no Kaluma in this House, Member."
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"content": " Yes, Hon. Kaluma."
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"content": " I ask my counterpart, the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning, that, at least, we quantify some of these things. I want to know the implication of the amendments in terms of revenue losses. I would like that we go that direction so that we know whether any amendment that is brought before us has an impact on raising revenue or cutting revenue. We need to know. Otherwise, shortly I will move the Appropriations Bill here, and one of the struggles we shall face will be on revenue raising measures. I would like you, through your Chairman, to help us account for the amendments and what impact they have in terms of revenue raising."
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"content": " I will allow the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning to respond to that, but only on this clause. On any other clauses, I will request the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning and the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee to sit together and speak. We cannot have this on the Floor of the House. It never happens. It has never happened. I will not allow it to happen. The Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning and the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee must consult before any of this. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"speaker_name": "Kesses, UDA",
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"content": " On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chairman."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. David Ochieng’",
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"content": " Hon. Member for Kesses, what is out of order? Wait before you respond, Chairman."
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"speaker_name": "Kesses, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Julius Rutto",
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"content": " Being a Member of the Committee, I support my Chairman by informing you that we have taken care of that, as you have advised accordingly."
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"content": " Okay. Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning."
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"speaker_name": "Molo, UDA",
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Chairman, I totally understand where the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee is speaking from. But we must desist from using the Finance Bill as just a tool for raising revenue. The Finance Bill should inform policy for our country. For this, our Committee has stood aground on several matters. We have a National Tax Policy that informs that we must have consistent laws and consistent legislation. We granted some of these exemptions in December. Four-five months later, we are taking back what we said. ‘Welcome to our country. Go invest in a company in Siaya or Homa Bay. You will get investment deduction if you invest outside Nairobi and Mombasa.’ Someone took a loan of Ksh10 billion and is setting up a factory in Homa Bay, Siaya or Nakuru. Six months later, you are telling them “No, because we shall lose revenue here, you cannot continue to invest there.’ We must be consistent. There are two ways of collecting revenue. You can extrapolate and say if you delete this, this is how much you lose. It is true. For example, the reintroduction of investment deduction for investment outside Nairobi and Mombasa will desperately lead to consequential foregone taxes that we might have collected. But what is the far-reaching effect? If that company sets up in Nakuru, Siaya, Kisumu, Homa Bay or Samburu, it will employ people who will pay PAYE. We will make a profit. They will also pay corporation tax. We must not be short-sighted in views of looking for numbers at the expense of making our country competitive globally."
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