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"content": "(Hon. Samuel Atandi and Hon. Peter Kaluma consulted loudly)"
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"speaker_name": "Hon. David Ochieng’",
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"content": " Order! Hon. Kaluma and Hon. Atandi, you must listen to the Chairman."
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"speaker_name": "Molo, UDA",
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"content": " Unfortunately, he just became the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriation Committee the other day. He aggregates the whole budget. The State departments under the National Treasury, including KRA, fall under the oversight of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning."
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"content": "(Hon. Samuel Atandi spoke off the record)"
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"speaker_name": "Molo, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Kuria Kimani",
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"content": "Hold your horses, Hon. Atandi. I will explain it to you. The resource requirement presented to our Committee by KRA stands at Ksh56 billion. The KRA does not report to the Budget and Appropriation Committee. It reports to the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning, which is the relevant sectoral committee. Out of the Ksh56 billion requested, we were only able to accommodate Ksh32 billion. The KRA has made it clear that while we expect them to play a major role in revenue collection, they are operating without essential provisions, such as medical insurance. Following discussions with the Budget and Appropriation The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "Committee Chairman, we explored whether it would be possible to raise an additional Ksh20 billion, but there was no fiscal space available. The KRA Act provides that the agency shall be funded up to 2 per cent of its collections. In the current budget estimates, set to be discussed tomorrow during the Appropriations debate, KRA has only been allocated 1.02 per cent, which falls short of the legal recommendation. One of the proposals emerging from public participation is that the law should be amended to state that KRA shall be allocated at least 2 per cent, as opposed to up to 2 per cent. We are dealing with a revenue-collecting entity that this country relies on. In the last ten years, there has been no salary adjustment for KRA staff. These are the same staff who are sent to assess taxpayers with obligations as high as Ksh100 million. What are we telling them? They have not had a salary increase in a decade. They lack basic medical cover. If they fall ill, they cannot even go to the hospital. We, however, expect them to carry out crucial, high-stakes financial assessments on behalf of this country. That is why we say the fiscal space is constrained. That is why we seek creative ways to fund these key institutions without increasing taxes. This is one of the solutions that this proposal is trying to achieve."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. David Ochieng’",
"speaker_title": "The Temporary Chairman",
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"content": " This is done. Hon. Atandi, the last word on this."
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"speaker_name": "Alego Usonga, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Samuel Atandi",
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"content": " The Chairman is my friend. When we first joined Parliament, we sat together on the Finance Committee. I fully understand the explanation he is offering to justify this specific fund for KRA. Hon. Temporary Chairman, you are also a Member of the Budget and Appropriation Committee. When the Chairman appeared before us to defend departmental budgets, he did not inform us that KRA required this amount of funding. That issue did not come up. I can even produce the Hansard . If it is a matter of the Kenya Revenue Authority sorting out issues to do with salary increments, we can deal with that. If we give blanket allocations to the KRA, other Government agencies will also want the same. We do not want to go down that road. Let us collect taxes and put them in one basket. Those who want money can come to the Budget and Appropriations Committee, defend themselves and then we will give them money. Otherwise, this is a very bad precedent. I would like Members to reject this amendment."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. David Ochieng’",
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"content": " This will then go either way."
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"content": "(Question, that the new clause be read a Second Time, put and agreed to)"
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