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"speaker_name": "Suba North, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for this opportunity. I thank the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee for this noble task he is doing. I also thank the Committee for the good work that they have done. When you listen to Hon. Makali and the others, they cite a lot of figures. I recently joined a PhD programme and we are statistics. I was put in a group where we are supposed to do a task on probability and I volunteered to do the typing. So, even here I will use prose. I will leave figures to the Makali Mulus of this House. I am glad that we have embarked on zero budgeting and I hope that we make it a reality. I notice that we have been realistic in revenue estimates, but our budgeting is not as responsive. So, we need to be a bit bolder. I hope our expert John Mbadi will be bolder in the next budget so that we have a balanced budget. The 15 per cent allocated to county governments is courtesy of me. Anybody can challenge me on this. They would receive zero. I am, therefore, speaking here confidently, as a person who moved for the 15 per cent when we were in the Select Committee of the Constitution. It had been proposed that we put no percentage, but I fought very viciously. First it was at 40 per cent, which our party was pushing, but this was also disappearing. My amendment at 15 per cent is what has ensured that the counties have no less than 15 per cent. I was, however, reluctant that we would be giving the counties Ksh415 billion. The reason is that the counties are not being very kind to the National Assembly. They are getting substantial amounts of money, but they are still looking at our pot as a National Assembly. Not as Members of Parliament, but as the National Assembly. I request and urge the counties that those of us who are very strong supporters and have adherents to devolution are getting very disillusioned. I do not believe that more than 40 chief executives of the counties can be thieves. I do not believe so. There must be something wrong; either in structure or in the manner of operation of the counties. We cannot just take a quick decision about governors stealing. They are not necessarily stealing; maybe there are some that are stealing, but there is a problem. We must find out what the problem is. We should look from county to county, without being specific which counties, and compare what the National Government-Constituencies Development Fund (NG-CDF) does The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"speaker_title": "Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona",
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"content": "and what the county resources do. Out of this Ksh415 billion, on average, many counties will be getting Ksh8 billion, Ksh6 billion or Ksh7 billion. What do constituencies get? If you combine the entire money of constituencies, it hardly reaches Ksh1 billion per county. When I was getting re-elected, the Suba North people would tell me, “ Waneno giri ma koth goyo oko ”. This means that “we can see the things that are being rained on courtesy of NG-CDF, but for most counties, we cannot see what is being rained on”. If you translate that in the layman's term, they are telling you that either we are putting too much money to recurrent expenditure in the counties, or there is a leakage in terms of expenditure. We must actually do a proper audit of the counties for purposes of discovering where the problem lies. We need to help our counties. It speaks to the issue of prudent management of resources. I am happy that we have considered areas that are very dear to my heart; education that touches on children and young people, the health sector that touches on women, water transport, especially Lake Victoria Ferry, and the blue economy that touches on fishermen. I am very happy on that. I can see the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee is managing time. But even as he manages time, I said this when we were ordinary Members with him in the Budget and Appropriations Committee, please consider child welfare in future, with the rampant cases of abuse against children. Consider also gender with the rampant cases of sexual and gender-based violence and femicide. Otherwise, I support. I know we are managing time, but we are sitting until 9.00 p.m. I also yet again, thank Members. The public do not know how dedicated Members are. We sit here until 9.00 p.m. The media will never report. They will only look at the negatives. So, I congratulate the Members. Thank you for sitting this long."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Peter Kaluma",
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"content": " There is no more interest in this except by Hon. (Dr) John Mutunga. Could you make your contributions in three minutes. All else could speak to the same matters when we transact the Equalisation Fund Bill."
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"speaker_name": "Tigania West, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr) John Mutunga Kanyuithia",
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"content": " Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for the opportunity to close this debate. The question is, why do we appropriate? Of course, we realise that if we do not, then we will be outside the law. Besides that, we need to appropriate so that there is continuity of states and so that we do the right thing. I thank the Committee for doing a good job. It has tried to stick within the limits this year. It has cautioned the different sectors and departmental committees to remain within the limits so that we do not overstretch the budget deficit. As we appropriate this money, we need to ask ourselves to what extent the money given out is used for the purpose it is given. A clear case study should be conducted to analyse the extent to which the money released has actually achieved the intended results, met the set targets, and reached the desired milestones. We need to prudently use resources and obtain value for money. We need to check on the wastage in this country. Besides sustaining the existing systems, we need to rationalise these budgets. We need to identify how we can create jobs, and which sectors we need to give prominence to so as to industrialise this country and create more jobs for our young people. We can then increase our exports. With those few remarks, I support the Bill."
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"content": " Hon. Moroto will contribute when we deal with the Equalisation Fund Appropriation Bill. The Mover may reply."
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"speaker_name": "Alego Usonga, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Samuel Atandi",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I thank Members for their participation and contributions to the Bill. I want to react to a few issues that they raised. Dr Makali Mulu questioned how we will raise the Ksh10 billion that we have added to the county shareable allocations. For the first time this year, the revenue projection by the Parliamentary Budget Office is higher than the revenue projection by the National Treasury. Our figure is higher by about Ksh40 billion. The National Treasury has projected ordinary revenue at Ksh2.76 trillion, while the fiscal and economic think tank of The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"speaker_name": "Alego Usonga, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Samuel Atandi",
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"content": "Parliament has projected Ksh2.79 trillion. This is a difference of Ksh40 billion. As we consider allocating more revenue to the counties, we determined that raising just Ksh10 billion out of this revenue was practical. It is noteworthy that for the first time, our projected revenue agrees with what is finally collected. We are confident that the Ksh2.79 trillion, which Parliament has projected, will be realised by the Kenya Revenue Authority. Therefore, allocating Ksh10 billion out of that to the counties will not affect our fiscal space. The fiscal deficit, which we project to be 4.8 per cent of the GDP, is stagnant. This projection has not affected it. I confirm to my colleague that we will not be forced to increase borrowing because of that addition. I thank everybody who contributed to the Bill. I agree with Hon. Millie who challenged us to allocate more resources to children’s welfare. We will ensure that allocations to children are enhanced going forward. I thank Members for staying with us. I beg to reply."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Peter Kaluma",
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"content": " Thank you, Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriations Committee. For the convenience of the House, the Question on the Second Reading of the Bill will be put when the House next considers the matter."
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"content": "(Putting of the Question deferred)"
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Peter Kaluma",
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"content": "Next Order."
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