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"speaker_name": "Sen. Tabitha Keroche",
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to also contribute to this important Motion. As I think about what to say about this Motion, I also feel the pain of Sen. Joyce Korir. I think we need to amend Article 181 of our Constitution because if you look at what we have been doing here since morning, we have been deliberating on something we know did not follow the right procedure. When we amend the Constitution, the Directorate of Legal Services of the Senate should ensure that before any document on impeachment is brought to this House, they check whether it has attained the threshold and if the right procedure was followed. The MCAs of Isiolo have denied us an important Impeachment Motion we would have liked to listen to. By telling us that there are two speakers and two clerks, I would have wanted to know how they passed that in the County Assembly. As far as I know, they are the people who are supposed to approve the team that is usually brought to the Assembly by the Governor. I advise you to be looking at that because at the end of it, you are the people who will be going home and not the Governor if you bring such a Motion. Everybody will ask The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "how you ended up with two speakers. To me, MCAs are the ones who approve any team brought by the Governor on the Floor of the Assembly. We should be careful about what people are complaining about the county assemblies. The minute you bring a Motion here and the people of Isiolo who elected you are watching, they also wonder and ask themselves such questions that we are asking ourselves. How was that Motion taken to the County Assembly without following the right procedure? There are accusations, but they are the people who are supposed to do oversight and ensure that the Governor does not do such things. How do you approve to allow the Governor to have two Speakers and two Clerks---"
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"content": " Proceed, Sen. Mwaruma."
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"content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, where there is smoke, there is fire. Simply by the virtue of the fact that the Assembly has escalated a resolution to impeach the Governor, then it is a pointer to a problem in the general running of the County Government of Isiolo."
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"content": "There is a lot of harm career-wise for a governor or any public who is impeached. That is why we should scrutinise carefully the process and the product of impeachment. It should have been our wish to scrutinise the allegations and evidence that pointed towards the Governor. However, we must start with the preliminaries."
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"content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, impeachment takes place in the county assemblies. What happens in the Senate is a trial. We must ask ourselves; if an impeachment takes place in a county assembly, then it must be in the correct manner. The procedure must be followed."
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"content": "Looking at the evidence that has been adduced by the Assembly to show that there was impeachment, I am not convinced that a sitting took place. It is because the HANSARD report that has been given by the Assembly has not been certified. What was the challenge in certifying the HANSARD?"
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"content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, we have seen some semblance of violence that took place showing destruction of the video evidence and that transcription of the HANSARD was not done through the video evidence and that the audio is available, but it has not been brought here. If there was a challenge of sitting in the County Assembly of Isiolo, they could have asked for another venue. The procedure is clear. That venue must be gazetted and there must be a resolution to sit in a different venue other than the gazetted Assembly. We have not been shown any Gazette Notice to show or to convince us that a different venue was gazetted for the Assembly to sit."
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"content": "I urge the Assembly to go back and do a proper procedural impeachment. We, as Senators or the Senate, are not running anywhere. Let them bring another impeachment Motion if they want. I also want to let them know that there is another process through the Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations. That Committee can go to Isiolo and diagnose the problems in that County with a view of making sure that devolution works."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I also want to place emphasis on the significance of procedure in the impeachment process. The essence of following The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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