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"speaker_name": "Sen. Okenyuri",
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"content": "procedure is to ensure that we protect the integrity of the whole process. We do not want to have the impeachment process as a weak tool to restrain people who want to misuse their public offices. While I feel for the people of Isiolo County and the County Assembly, I wish that the case they brought here--- Earlier, I sought clarity on whether the HANSARD recordings can be displayed if they conducted their sittings in a room or outside and there was no evidence on the same. That makes me feel that the right procedure was not followed. We want to make this process credible, so that any other governor who is brought to this Senate, the House of reason, will go home knowing that substantive justice was rendered to them. Substantive justice cannot be talked about where due process has not been followed. When due process has not been followed, then going into the evidences will not help because the whole process was not followed from the beginning. We should abide by the rule of law. I pray that we put emotions aside and look at this issue critically. Impeachments that have happened all over the world have followed the rule of law. It is not about dislike for someone and even when you dislike someone, you should ensure that you follow the correct process to remove them from office. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir."
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Mariam Omar",
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity. I stand here to oppose the Motion. This is because 16 Members of the County Assembly (MCAs) cannot just come together and pass a Motion of impeachment without following procedures."
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Mariam Omar",
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"content": "Volume No.3 has Order Paper, HANSARD and everything. If no procedure was followed, then these documents could not have been availed to the Senate. On that ground, I oppose and say that a meeting took place. Thank you."
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"speaker_name": "Sen. (Prof.) Kamar",
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me the opportunity."
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"speaker_name": "Sen. (Prof.) Kamar",
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"content": "I sit in the Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations and I was involved in the case of Nyamira County. We were also involved in the case of Machakos County where the Speaker decided to close the Assembly sine die without involving anybody."
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"content": "One would look at these cases and ask, “what kind of advice can we give, as a Committee?” In the case of Nyamira County, we reached a point where we invited the Controller of Budget who was paying one line in the Assembly and leaving out the other line. We asked the Controller of Budget, who unfortunately or fortunately comes from Nyamira County, who she was paying because they had two speakers and two clerks. Why am I saying this? I am saying this because we, as Senate, need to advise and help our counties properly. Our county assemblies need to be protected. One of the two features that came out in both counties that we handled was the violence that took place. The violence that took place in Machakos County was similar to the violence that took place in Nyamira County and it is the same violence that we are being told about though we did not see the actual violence, but the aftermath. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"speaker_name": "Sen. (Prof.) Kamar",
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"content": "When MCAs are handling a serious agenda like impeachment, which borders on who is right between the executive and the assembly, then the protection of the MCAs is paramount. In this case, if the House finds that the procedure was not done properly and they go back, we need to be assured that they will have protection, as a House, when they go back. What we saw in Nyamira County was a case where---"
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Kingi",
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"content": " I thought that Professor had six more seconds. Professor, could it be that you got emotional and could not speak?"
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"speaker_name": "Sen. (Prof.) Kamar",
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"content": "No, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I saw the red light and was shocked that I had finished three minutes. We have to come out, as a Senate, to define the norms even if it means going back to our own Standing Orders. We need to deal with that because the protection of a House dealing with impeachment must be assured. If they are not assured of their protection, then they have nowhere to go to. They will be hiding from each other and we will not be able to---"
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Kingi",
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"content": " Lastly, we will hear from the Senator for Isiolo County. As is our tradition, the host Senator normally gets more time. Therefore, Hon. Senator, I will give you 10 minutes."
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