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"content": "(Sen. Oketch Gicheru consulted loudly)"
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"content": " Sen. Eddy, you have to have some respect for other leaders."
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"content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, if we get Kshs405 billion, then what will happen is that every county, including the ones that we have identified as small counties, will benefit from that allocation. I can read the mood of the House. Hon. Members want to vote on this Motion and on this amendment, I just would like to urge them to do one thing. Our call to duty is to ensure that devolution succeeds. If devolution succeeds in Kitui County by getting all the money that there was to be allocated and then we deny Mandera or another county money, then we will not be contributing to the success of devolution. If devolution fails in one small county, it will have failed even in the biggest counties that we have. We must have that spirit and we should carry each other along. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I urge the 35 counties represented by hon. Senators in this House to agree that we invoke Article 203 of the Constitution on affirmative action when considering this formula. This is so that those counties that are receiving little allocations will get something that can make them do basic things, like construction of ECD classrooms and roads and also that this money, will not be used for recruitment of people; as we were told the other day, recruitment of people close to governors. Mr. Speaker, Sir, with those remarks, I move my amendment and ask Sen. Roba to second."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. As I second this Motion, I will make a statement in support of the secondment. The House stands for protection of devolution. The devolved family comprises of 47 counties. The 47 counties have to function properly with some aspect of development as well as recurrent expenditure management. Our extensive consultation to avoid what happened in the Third Senate, where the level of controversy tore this House apart was meant to find a reason to consider these 12 counties that get little money and they be The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "given Kshs3 billion, equally shared among them, then the remained by shared using two hybrid formulas. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to sincerely clarify because I have heard from a number of Senators contribute and make reference to the formula of the committee, as only the formula that carries the variables of population, equal share, poverty and geographical land size. The formula of the Committee is a hybrid formula where at Kshs387.425 billion and above, we have applied the Third Basis of revenue sharing to hold each county harmless. We have applied the formula of population, equal share, poverty and geographical land mass, whereby, population is at 45 per cent, equal share at 35 per cent, poverty at 12 per cent and at geographical land size at eight per cent. Mr. Speaker, Sir, the subsequent amendment to carry the 12 counties that are getting very little money, meant that the money we are holding constant for purpose of holding harmless has increased from Kshs387 billion to Kshs390.425 billion, in order to get any additional amount beyond Kshs390 billion, to be shared using the second part of the formula, which is population at 45 per cent, equal share at 35 per cent, geographical land size at 8 per cent, and poverty at 14 per cent. Mr. Speaker, Sir, we have extensively debated this amendment. This position is that of consensus. I would like to second it and plead with my colleagues, the hon. Senators, to find it within themselves that we conclude voting on this formula, so that we are able to process the County Allocation of Revenue Bill (CARA), which will go to horizontal share of revenue between county governments as well as establishing the ceilings. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to second. Thank you."
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"content": " Hon. Senators, please let us take our seats. Hon. Senators, I will now proceed to propose the Question."
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"content": "Hon. Senators, these are proposed amendments to the main Motion. In the main Motion, you are entitled to 20 minutes, if you take to the Floor contributing. These are proposed amendments. If we then grant 20 minutes per Senator speaking, we will not make much progress. We need to dispense with these amendments, so that we go back to the main Motion. I, therefore, propose, if agreeable, if you can restrict time on---"
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"content": "Well, with your concurrence, then we can straight away move on. I can put the Question to allow you to vote. Serjeant-at-Arms, please ring the Quorum Bell for five minutes."
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