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"content": "Hon. Toroitich, you now have the information. Take two minutes to conclude."
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Speaker, I am surprised by your question on what an Independent Member can contribute. Irrespective of how they came here, they are Members of Parliament. They participate in the enactment of legislation and determine national policies amongst other matters. They play a crucial role. As I finalise, Article 103 of the Constitution provides that an Independent Member of Parliament shall lose his or her seat when he or she associates with the ideologies of a political party or joins a political party. An Independent Member must associate with a political party to survive. For that reason, I support this Bill but with a rider that I shall bring an amendment so that we have an introduction that reads, “The Political Parties and Independent Candidates (Amendment) Bill”. This is to ensure that independent Members of Parliament are considered when these funds are distributed. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker."
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"content": " Hon. Kimilu Joshua."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for this giving me this opportunity to contribute. I have taken time to go through the Bill which is good. However, I request the owner of the Bill to consider a few things because we want to support it to the end. There are some aspects that need to be amended. Clause 33C of the Bill states that a person is qualified for appointment as a member of a Commission if that person— (a) Holds a degree from a university recognised in Kenya. (b) Has proven knowledge and experience in any of the following fields—finance, management, political science, electoral matters, law, governance or public administration. (c) Has at least 10 years post qualification experience in the relevant areas of expertise. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "When we are making some of these laws, we also need to consider the youth. They finish the university or O-Level when they are 25 years of age. I will bring an amendment to this House to reduce the required experience from 10 to five years, so that we consider the youth. On the Political Parties Fund, I agree with my colleague that those who are elected as independent candidates need to be considered. We also want other countries to come and benchmark here. We need to come up with a structure which considers them because they deserve these funds. They incur expenses too. We need to come up with a structure where independent candidates benefit from the Political Parties Fund. After elections, coalitions are formed. There are a lot of problems in sharing these funds. This is another field that we need to consider. This Bill can solve that problem once and for all. If there is a coalition and it breaks up, as it is happening now, it becomes a problem to some of the small parties inside the coalition to get their share. When the big party shares with other small parties, and they are not on the same political line, it becomes a problem. I will come up with an amendment to address this issue. I want this Bill to solve this problem once and for all. This is a good Bill which I support. I want it to see the light of the day, so that it can solve problems in this country. I congratulate the Mover of the Bill. Kenyans need to think the way the Mover of this Bill thinks. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker."
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"content": " It looks like there is no other Hon. Member who wants to contribute to this Bill. I ask the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs to reply."
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"content": "Tharaka, UDA): Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I wish the two other speakers who contributed immensely to the Bill were here to hear some of the points in the reply. Hon. Peter Kaluma and Hon. Toroitich have just left. However, it will be in The Hansard, so they will be looking at that. The first point I wish to respond to is from Hon. Kimutai – the Fund. This Fund is constitutional, and it is called the Political Parties Fund. If you wish to introduce Independents, we have to look at the constitutional provisions so that we can see how we can anchor it in an Act of Parliament – the Political Parties Act. We also have to amend that Act to make it the Political Parties and Independents Act. Otherwise, that Fund will not find any anchor anywhere in the arguments that have been proposed. Number two, this is not a constitutional commission. It is a Statutory Commission. It is a Commission established by an Act of Parliament. Therefore, Article 250 of the Constitution does not apply. It is a relevant statute, which is going to be the guiding law. Thus, it can have a deviation, like a few other commissions which are statutory. However, for the constitutional commissions, some of which are independent commissions, we have to comply with the provisions of Article 250 to the letter, because that is the requirement. To Hon. Kaluma, who swore that he is a staunch member of the ODM, and that he lives by the tenets of that party, this Bill, although it came from the Senate, is a National Dialogue Committee (NADCO) Bill. It was a negotiated Bill between his principal, the leader of the ODM, and the leader of the UDA, the President of the Republic of Kenya. It was based on the fact that when the election dispute of 2022 arose, they were of the view that it is not just the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC) that needed some reform. The Office of the Registrar of Political Parties also needed to be reformed. They felt that one person making decisions in that office was not sufficient. It had to be a little bit collegiate. A number of people sit to discuss and agree or disagree. This is why there is a provision that the number The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "has to be odd, so that if they do not agree, then they can take a vote. Again, that will be subject to the regulations which are provided once they are formulated. Independents, unfortunately, and Hon. Temporary Speaker, you have rightly pointed out, the only thing we need to work on in this House regarding them are Standing Orders. They come in as independents. They have absolutely no policies to advance apart from debating in this House. They do not stand for anything. Political parties stand for ideology. That is what the Act says. Political parties have an ideology like a college. A person has an individual ideology, which is not to communicate to anybody apart from himself. How do we put it?"
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"content": " On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker."
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