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"speaker_name": "Suba South, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Caroli Omondi",
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Speaker, in Australia, a Commonwealth Country, both political parties and independent candidates are funded by the State. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"speaker_name": "Tharaka, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. George Murugara",
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"content": " Thank you very much. I do not disagree. Unfortunately, this is Kenya and we are talking about the laws of Kenya. I have started by saying we will have to amend the Constitution and the Act. When we have not done so, we can only say a proposal will be introduced, which we shall look at. But as far as this is concerned, I heard about tallying of votes so that you can distribute the money. Unfortunately, that is supposed to bring some equity. The money does not go to any of the persons who got those votes. It is purely a formula to determine what is fair and just when you are distributing the money. On the other hand, would we have a college of independent candidates where we would put their individual votes? If that is the case, let us amend the Constitution and this particular Act to make an accommodation. But you would still have a problem. The money to independent candidates would not go to individual members. It would have to go to the college. What will that college be? A political party? I do not know what it will be. If independent candidates, like Hon. Toroitich, get part of the money, why should I, as a member of a political party who won, also not get the money?"
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"content": "(Hon. Caroli Omondi spoke off the record)"
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"content": "I do not think that is the argument. I do not think that was the rationale behind independence but this is a very vibrant, robust discussion and we need to look at this in totality. When you come in as an independent candidate, they say you are at the mercies of the parties when you come to sit in committees. That may be the case but it is not just independents. There are also other small parties that fall into the same category where when you come in as an independent Member of Parliament of a party, you have to find your way. You have to weave your way around it because our Standing Orders are clear."
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"content": "(Hon. Caroli Omondi spoke off the record)"
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"content": "No, they do. I am talking about sitting in committees. You have to find your way to a committee. Remember our Standing Orders are clear that you must have at least two committees, but there may be no committees whatsoever. The two remaining committees would be the Parliamentary Broadcasting and Library Committee, and the Members Service and Facilities Committee. That is where you have to weave…"
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Farah Maalim",
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"content": " For the benefit of the House, Hon Caroli Omondi, even in Australia, they do not fund elections. They do not fund candidates. They reimburse candidates. After the election you must have a minimum of four per cent. The same way it is reflected in our Standing Order, even a political party with four to seven members on the Floor of the House, in the National Assembly, which does not have the requisite five per cent of the popular votes, does not qualify. Yes, Hon. Caroli."
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"speaker_name": "Suba South, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Caroli Omondi",
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"content": " You are spot on. There is mischief in our Political Parties Act (PPA). The description of political party funding is not there while it is there in Australia. We have already captured that in the proposed amendments. We are describing political party funding for the first time."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Farah Maalim",
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"content": " It is captured in the Standing Orders. If I remember well, the Standing Orders of the 10th Parliament already captured it."
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"content": " There is no definition of what qualifies for political party funding in the PPA. We are for the first time introducing an amendment that describes political party funding. It captures the exclusions of what cannot be funded and will apply to both independents and political parties. That is what is fair for everyone. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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