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"speaker_name": "Alego Usonga, ODM",
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Speaker, I thank you for giving me this opportunity to reply. Before I reply, let me first of all thank Members of this House for debating this Report vigorously and raising some fundamental issues, which the Budget and Appropriations Committee has taken note of. Some of the issues that were raised by Members include concerns about the current budget implementation. Even though there is a hypothesis that the Budget is not fully implemented, the report which is before my Committee outlining how the Budget for this financial year is performing, tells me that it is performing above 50 per cent. Considering that development projects of Government involves elaborate procurement process, I think this is quite okay. I also think that the allegation that the Government is not disbursing the exchequer is not an accurate assumption. The other issue which was raised has to do with the fiscal deficit. Some Members complained that we had put revenue projections which are not accurate because the Finance Bill has not been decided, discussed and approved. You are aware that these are merely projections. In fact, if you want to establish the accurate revenue collected in a financial year, you have to wait for the audit which normally happens after the financial year has lapsed. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for informationpurposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"speaker_name": "Alego Usonga, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Samuel Atandi",
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"content": "As I said when I was moving this Motion, we have made one of the most accurate revenue projections in history. To show you that this is accurate, the revenue projection which was presented by the National Treasury is way less than what our own Parliamentary Budget Office (PBO), our own fiscal and economic think tank of Parliament, which I said yesterday is globally rated, presented. Their projection is higher than the one which was presented by the National Treasury. This shows that for the first time, we are being more realistic. Even in the past, our revenue projections have always been accurate. Whereas, in the past, the National Treasury has projected higher revenue, we normally project lower revenue, which is what Kenya Revenue Authority (KRA) achieves in the end. On the Equalisation Fund, the concerns are real. Kenyans cannot see the projects that are being performed by the Equilisation Fund. When this Fund comes to an end, it will be very difficult for Kenyans to see the impact. This is something which the National Treasury has taken note of, and because some of those projects are implemented by counties, we urge the counties to change. We have less than five years. Those are genuine concerns, and the National Treasury and the Budget and Appropriation Committee have taken note of them. There were concerns about the Judiciary budget. As a House, we have fully funded the Judiciary. We have given them the resources they need, especially for hiring new judges. Regarding the infrastructure in the Judiciary, I urge Members of Parliament to supplement the efforts of the Judiciary in funding the infrastructure using the National Government Constituencies Development Fund (NG-CDF). I know Members who have spent their NG- CDF on constructing courts. This is something I would like to urge Members of Parliament to consider. Regarding the allocation of resources to counties, it is worth noting that although the share of allocation to counties in this Bill is Ksh405 billion, there is an additional Ksh74 billion in conditional allocations that will also be due to the counties. In the end, counties are going to receive a total of Ksh474 billion. This is not a small amount of resources. We have complaints in this House that our governors are a let-down, that the resources that we have given them, they have not spent them wisely and that they are abusing their powers in the counties. Those are facts that have been raised by Members and, therefore, we believe that the Ksh474 billion that is going to be sent to the counties will be good enough for our counties to realise development. Lastly, I want to say that there is also a notion that not enough functions have been devolved in the health sector. If you look keenly at the Budget for the Ministry of Health in Nairobi, all allocations are purely for National Government functions. For example, we have more than six Level 6 referral hospitals. All of those hospitals are funded from the budgets of the National Government. There is no way of transferring budgets for national referral hospitals to the counties. That would be wrong. So, when you see the budget for the Ministry of Health in Nairobi, as large as it may look, it is meant for the National Government functions, some of which involve primary health care. The campaign and fight for more resources by governors need to stop. We want governors to now focus on the implementation of development programmes in their counties. We cannot have governors only thinking about sponsoring court cases against the National Government. They want to grab everything, but they are not performing. They are not utilising those resources properly. Once again, I thank this House for this debate. On Tuesday, we will be discussing the Committee of Supply, and I know Members will deliberate and allocate resources where it is needed. Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to reply."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Peter Kaluma",
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"content": " I will defer the putting of the Question to a future date. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for informationpurposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "(Putting of the Question deferred)"
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Peter Kaluma",
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"content": "I thank all Members who have stayed beyond the hour to deliberate on this very important role of the National Assembly, that is, budgeting for the nation."
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"content": "ADJOURNMENT"
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"content": " Hon. Members, be upstanding. The time being 7.04 p.m., this House stands adjourned until Tuesday, 10th June 2025, at 2.30 p.m."
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"content": "The House rose at 7.04 p.m. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for informationpurposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "Published by Clerk of the National Assembly Parliament Buildings Nairobi"
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"content": "The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for informationpurposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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