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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I stand here to make comments on the proposed amendment to the Motion by the Committee on Finance and Budget. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Just a little history will help us make the right decision on this matter. In the formula that we are concluding, the bone of contention then was that the Senate was faced with the challenge of an existential threat to a county. That is Mandera County where the Chairperson of the Committee on Finance and Budget comes from."
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"content": "If we had gone with the wisdom of the CRA then and passed the formula as proposed by them, probably Mandera County would have shut its doors by now. Since we are here as defenders and protectors of devolution, we said that Mandera County was not going to be shut down under our watch. Therefore, we fought."
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to take this opportunity to thank the Senate Majority Leader because at that time, that county and Elgeyo-Marakwet that was then represented by Hon. Kipchumba Murkomen were going to gain quite substantially. However, they made the sacrifice for the sake of counties that were going to lose money. That is the context within which we are discussing this proposal."
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"content": "The Senator for Nyamira County has done a good job to move the amendment. I have a challenge with the request put forward to us by the 11 small counties. It is true that the concept of affirmative action is contemplated under Article 203 of the Constitution when formulating a formula for sharing revenue. It states that where we can apply affirmative action to take care of counties that are disadvantaged. I want the 11 counties to convince us, because that is what we are doing here, that the additional money that they are asking for will go to good use. I say that because the Senator of Nyamira County, while moving the amendment, has just mentioned to us that a ruling has been made in Nyamira, that the so-called mashinani sittings have now been abolished by the courts."
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"content": "[The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) left the Chair]"
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"content": "[The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Mumma) in the Chair]"
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"content": "We expect the Senator of Nyamira County to report to us next week that the County Assembly of Nyamira will now be sitting in the gazetted premises of the Assembly. He should report to us that they will be appropriating money for the county government under the law and the Constitution. Madam Temporary Speaker, I listened to the Senator from Elgeyo Marakwet County and I am not convinced about what he is asking for. I am very honest. The Senator asked us to have mercy on them. However, this must go beyond us having mercy on counties. We must be convinced that the money they are asking for will be allocated to do things that will be beneficial to the people in those counties. Why do I say that, Madam Temporary Speaker? I say that because the request put forward to us, in this amendment, is to allocate Kshs4.6 billion to 11 counties that, in the opinion of the Senators from those counties, are disadvantaged. We have just listened to the submission from the Committee on Finance and Budget. Going by reality, the growth in revenue to counties is realistically Kshs5 billion, considering what we passed in the last financial year. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Out of that Kshs5 billion, the Senator for Nyamira County and his colleagues are asking us to share Kshs4.6 billion among the 11 counties then the rest of us share Kshs500 million. There is a window for us to exploit and we will try to exploit it. This House must stand very firm. The shareable revenue for all counties cannot be Kshs405 billion. We must push for Kshs465 billion to go to counties. That means that we shall share substantive amount of money. If we stick to Kshs405, then the 11 counties will be called upon to step down a bit from the Kshs4.6 billion to maybe Kshs3 billion. We are here to be convinced. We will not take a position right now. The other reason why I want to be convinced by this Committee is that, realistically speaking, the 11 counties are asking to have a triple share of the equitable share to counties. I will explain what I mean by this. Sen. Kinyua, if you pay attention, you will understand what I mean."
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"content": "Under the third basis, under Kshs387 billion allocated to counties, that formula puts into consideration equal share as a parameter. So, all of us, the 47 counties, will get equal share from the Kshs387 billion. Under the proposal brought to us by the Committee, the 35 per cent parameter, equal share, applies equally to all the 47 counties. That is the second bite. So, you are getting the first bite at Kshs387 billion and you get the second bite at the proposal as brought to us by the Committee. You are also proposing an affirmative action of Kshs4.6 billion which is exclusive to the 11 counties."
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