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"content": "So, you are basically saying that the 11 counties should get equal share allocation three times in one formula. I am not saying that there is something wrong with it. What I am saying is that we need to be convinced that this is the direction that we want to take."
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"content": "Last but not least, I guess the wisdom of the Committee is that whatever we do, no county should lose any money. We should at least begin from there. That whatever it is that we do, no county should lose any money. The Committee had proposed Kshs2 billion as affirmative action for 11 counties. I have not confirmed, but I am told that my name was seen somewhere, that I will be a Member of the Mediation Committee. If those of us who will sit in the Mediation Committee are able to push for at least Kshs450 billion to counties, then Kshs4.6 billion is money that can go to counties as affirmative action for the 11 counties."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Speaker, I want to conclude by saying this. The solution to the impasse that we had in the previous debate on the third basis was not a discussion and a debate on this Floor about what formula we are going to use. It was about the amount of money that we were going to share. I want to urge my colleagues that even as we discuss the formula, the parameters and the affirmative action, our eyes should be trained on the amount of money that we, the 47 counties, are sharing."
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"content": "It must be unacceptable, to all of us, that the National Assembly, in their wisdom or lack of it, as Sen. Mungatana said, think that out of a Kshs4 trillion budget, the best they can give to counties is slightly above Kshs400 billion. We must reject that move by the National Assembly and do so loudly and not quietly. We must reject that move by the National Assembly in every space available to us. I do not know what the National Assembly has against devolution. These leaders behave as though there are residents in counties, who belong to governors and Senators, then other residents, in the same county, belong to Members of the National Assembly. It The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "is a very funny way of thinking. We are fighting for the same people. We are fighting to devolve resources to the same people."
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"content": "I said here the other day and I want to repeat it. The constitutional provision states that at least 15 per cent of the money should go to counties. This means that 15 per cent is the lower limit. In fact, there is no lower limit for the money that should be going to the national Government. So, we could as well even take 85 per cent of money to counties and 15 per cent to the national Government. That is what it is. We should not look at 15 per cent as though that is the upper limit. We are being told that whatever you do, do not give less than 15 per cent of monies to county governments. Madam Temporary Speaker, with those remarks, I will sit and wait to be persuaded by the 11 counties. However, I stand on the principle that every county in this country must benefit equitably from the formula that we are going to agree on. I submit."
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"content": " Senate Majority Leader, you may proceed."
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"content": " Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for this chance to share my thoughts on this amended version of the Motion before us. I appreciate that we had a Motion that was moving on very well, then 11 of our colleagues caucused without the rest of us. Now they want to convince us to side with them. There is nothing wrong with caucusing because this is a House of reason. We convince each other by logic and good sense. So, from the onset, without committing fully, but like a young man still willing to listen to as many damsels as possible, I want to say that I am willing to be persuaded."
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"content": "I do not know why Sen. M Kajwang’, Sen. Kinyua and Sen. Wambua are laughing. I know they have misinterpreted my pronouncements to mean other things or to interpret their own stuff. Madam Temporary Speaker, I must appreciate that, like Sen. M. Kajwang’ observed yesterday, this is one of our most solemn moments as a Senate. It is one of those moments that any Senator who never gets to record their voice on this matter is not worth even being elected to this House. I have my notes from the Second-Generation Formula still very new in this House. I have my notes of what I said in the Third-Generation Formula. Today I can speak off the top of my head on the Fourth-Generation Formula. There are no other powers. This Constitution is very mean to the Senate. I have said this before, but at least with regards to the determination of how shareable revenue to counties is shared out amongst the 47, we were granted the superpower. Not even the National Assembly has the kind of power that the Senate has. In fact, such is the provision that this is the only occasion where they will require two-thirds to overturn any decision of this House and you know how many times the House has raised that threshold. I cannot recall any other time, save for the time that we needed to chase a very The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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