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"content": "Madam Temporary Speaker, this Bill is not just about figures and fiscal frameworks. It is about deepening devolution, unlocking stalled projects and winning the trust and confidence in county service delivery. We know that county governments continue to bear the weight of expectations from wananchi . They are in charge of healthcare, Early Childhood Development Education (ECDE), water, infrastructure and all that yet we continue to deal with delays, underfunding and ceilings that lock any chances for innovation and progression in our counties year after year. We are stuck in a rut like funding recurring budgets and very little innovation and responsiveness in our counties. I look forward to a time when allocations in our counties will be based on how much pending bills each county owes its people. I look forward to when we will have specific allocations for pending bills. I have never understood why, as a Senate or a country, we do not take pending bills seriously. Is it because we are not business people? When we procure services and goods from our citizens, it is only prudent that we pay them. Why are we scamming our people, for lack of a better word? If I go to a restaurant and order for food when I do not have money in my pocket, it is tantamount to scamming. Why are we doing that to our people? When this money gets to the hands of our people, it makes our economy to run. Right now, businesses are under employing because they do not have the money. The money is held by the Government. I do not know what we need to do, as the 13th Parliament, to address the issue of pending bills even as we finish our five years. The issue of pending bills weighs heavily in my heart and in my mind especially when young people are owed by the Government. We are crippling young people instead of supporting them. Nairobi, as a city, has its own devolved complexities. I look forward to not just timely disbursements of this money, but also very clear accountability mechanisms that gives zero room for misallocation. With that, I urge my colleagues to pass this Bill with the urgency that it deserves. Our county governments cannot run on goodwill alone. They need resources. Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker."
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"content": "I thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for giving me the opportunity to also make my contribution on the County Allocation of Revenue Bill (Senate Bills No.9 of 2025). I listened carefully when the able Senator, the Vice- The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Chairperson of the Committee, was moving this Bill. I thank her, together with the Committee, for the work they have put into bringing us this Bill. I start by saying that this is a very solemn duty that is bestowed upon the Senate. After we have passed the Division of Revenue Bill thus divided the monies between the national Government and the county governments, we then get to discuss this Bill. The proposition in this Bill is to divide the monies amongst the counties. Many people wonder what the Senate does. It has taken a lot of explanation because sometimes Senators do not say this enough. I want to say this for those who are listening to us at this time. It is after we pass this Bill that the money is made available to county governments and the county assemblies. After which, this money is then applied for the good of the people, hopefully, at the county level."
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"content": "The Mover stated that before they came to move this Bill, they had lengthy consultations during the recess with over 20 county assemblies who came before the Committee to explain the needs they have within the counties. One of those counties was the County Assembly of Tana River, which made its propositions."
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"content": "The big issue here is that our county assemblies have been denied sufficient funds to carry out oversight duties. They made this plainly clear to me when I went to address the Assembly, and even when I went with the Committee to meet a sister committee in the County Assembly of Tana River. They said they have a problem with the slashed funds. This makes it difficult for committees to move and carry out their oversight duties."
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"content": "Many of them are not able to fund the normal oversight activities of standing committees of the county assemblies and this include the County Assembly of Tana River. This then creates a problem. If primary oversight is not carried out properly, it becomes a challenge for us who carry out the secondary oversight at the national level or at the Senate level. We end up overworking ourselves."
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"content": "This happens because the county executives; the County Executive Committee Members and the Chief Officers, were not called to account at the county level. In the end, we have a backlog because reports are not being done. The governors come here before the Senate and they also have a backlog. We have a problem in terms of the funding. We do secondary oversight and the assemblies do primary oversight. At times, we conflict. There are cases where a County Executive Committee Member or a Chief Officer, in rare occasions, is asked to appear before a county assembly committee and they say “no”. They will tell the assembly committee that they have been called in Nairobi or they will be accompanying the governor to Nairobi. That creates a systemic problem."
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