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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I too do rise to support the Motion, even though I am not quite happy with the manner in which it is framed. That is because the forces are already in Somalia. They are not there as peace keepers. The military spokespersons who have been giving reports on the Operation Linda Nchi have been talking about liberated areas. Therefore, those forces are not really there as peace keepers. This ought to have come to this House as a report under Article 241 (3) (b) which requires that the Kenya Defence Forces shall assist and co-operate with other authorities in situations of emergency or disaster and report to the National Assembly. Because those forces are already there, what the Minister should have done is make a report to the National Assembly as required under the Constitution. That is because the provisions under which the Minister relies on now really relate to peace keeping. Nevertheless, the principle of approval of the National Assembly is important because those are our KDF. To that extent, I do support this Motion. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would have expected the Minister, in moving the Motion - because they are there now as part of AMISOM - to tell us a little bit more about AMISOM. He should have told us how it is constituted, under what law, the financing, the duration and who will be working with the Kenyan Defence Forces, the levels of command and under whose command our forces in Somalia will be. Those are details that we are entitled to know because we are no longer there as a country, but as part of the AU Mission. I hope that the Minister, in responding, will attend to those matters. For example, we know the call from the UN has been that AMISOM forces are not enough. They need to raise the levels from the current 8,000 to a particular number. Therefore, our forces are going to enter the agreement under AMISON under what terms? How many of our soldiers are going there? What are the cost implications? What is the Minister doing in terms of the health of the soldiers in Somalia today? These are issues which the Government is required, under the Constitution, to report to the House, at least, once every year. In responding to this Motion, I do hope the Minister will be able to respond to these specific issues. Even as we send our forces to Somalia, we need to maintain the integrity and sovereignty of our own borders. For too long, we have been ridiculed by some of our neighbours with regard to certain islands on Lake Victoria and certain areas in northern Kenya. This has given our forces the opportunity to prove their worth. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, as a son of a soldier, I am very proud of our forces out there because they have proved our detractors wrong. They have shown they can defend our country. I, therefore, do support this Motion and I hope that those who will speak after me will, likewise, support it."
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"content": " Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I also stand here to support this Motion. I want to say a few things. Indeed, our KDF are heroes of this country. They have done us proud by working tirelessly to eliminate one of the militia groups that has given this country and its people a lot of problems. However, I want my colleagues who are here today; the Minister of State for Defence, the Minister of State for Provincial Administration and Internal Security and the Minister for Foreign Affairs, to realize that the same solutions we have applied to the militia group in Somalia and to the militia group that was building up in Mt. Elgon, should be the same solution that should be applied to all other militia groups. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, within our borders, we have militia groups that have become so chronic in the form of cattle rustlers. I want both the Minister of State for Defence and the Minister of State for Provincial Administration and Internal Security to listen to this. The same vigor that the Cabinet, which unfortunately I do not sit in, has taken to enter into Somalia and take a decision to use taxpayers’ funds to eliminate that militia and stabilize the neighbour so that Kenya can remain in peace, let them put that same effort to those militia groups; particularly the cattle rustlers in the north. That is because they have been a major pain to all of us. I know the Minister of State for Provincial Administration and Internal Security will tell you that they, themselves alone, have been unable to tackle that problem. About 15 years ago, when our Armed Forces got involved and engaged the cattle rustlers, the northern parts of Kenya rested for almost 17 years to 18 years without any incidents. However, after they quit and let the police take over, that problem has remained with us. I would really encourage the Minister of State for Provincial Administration and Internal Security to take up this matter in the Cabinet so that, after Somalia, let us deal with the local cattle rustlers who are militia groups and have become a power onto themselves. That should be the next phase. Secondly, I will really urge that the famous Suguta Valley, where we have lost so many senior officers of this Government and is notorious for cattle rustling--- We have told the KDF, through the Minister of State for Defence, to open up a training school inside there. Let us harden our boys and girls in the forces so that, in future, they will be hardened to tackle all kinds of problems that will come up. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I also want to notify the same Ministries of the following: We had a problem of incursions from Ethiopia the other day in Todonyang. We have a problem that might come up again in the Ilemi Triangle. Of course, we have the famous problem of Migingo, I want the same Ministries, together with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, to tackle these issues before they become a much bigger problem. Let these matters be resolved diplomatically. If they are issues to do with the borders, let them be resolved much earlier. Let us not leave them to deteriorate to a point where we will be forced to engage our young men and women in something that we should have resolved much earlier. Lastly, I am also learning that the deployments in Somalia; majority of our men and women who are in Somalia are mostly the ones they recruited from northern Kenya. Can we balance this because when we were doing recruitment in the country, we did it in every county?"
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"content": " On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Is the hon. Assistant Minister---"
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"content": "He is not an Assistant Minister. For purposes of Parliament, he is a Minister."
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"content": " Is the hon. Assistant Minister in order to impute improper motive on the security and the establishment of Defence Forces? Can he substantiate or withdraw his remarks and apologise to the House?"
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"content": "On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Is the hon. Assistant Minister in order to purport that it is only particular members of this country, from northern Kenya, who have been taken to fight in Somalia while it is only the other day we buried one of the first casualties of the war who crushed in a military helicopter from Kitui? When the father heard about the death of that First Officer, who was basically a pilot and was his son, he collapsed and died. So, is the Assistant Minister in order to purport that there is discrimination on who goes to fight?"
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"content": " On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. A soldier from my constituency also died in that plane. My constituency is not located in northern Kenya. It is very unfair for people to come to this august House to peddle untruths especially on very serious matters like the ones we are dealing with."
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"content": "On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Would I be in order to ask the hon. Assistant Minister to withdraw because that is a very serious allegation? All the deployment of our forces in the barracks whether in the Air Force or the Navy are posted regardless of where one comes from. It is all based on making sure the integrity of our forces is clear. That is a very serious allegation that must be withdrawn."
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"content": " Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, although I said it, I am convinced that I should withdraw and apologise. I will only ask my colleague, the Minister of State for Defence to look at balancing when they are redeploying. With those few remarks, I support the Motion."
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