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"content": "I acquainted myself with the record of the HANSARD before we started this sitting, and I am aware, as you rightly say, Member for Ikolomani, that this matter was largely transacted. It more or less had been disposed of. We left it at a stage where the Minister was going to report to the House on the progress made towards amicable resolution, following a meeting with the PAC which you, Member for Ikolomani, Chair. I would really want to hear the Minister’s report on what progress has been made and then we can take it up from there."
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"content": " Mr. Speaker, Sir, as you have correctly stated, when answering this Question, we offered to sit with the PAC and go through this matter in further detail. As he has correctly said, we are still willing to appear before the PAC as I had previously indicated, but we need clearance on the issue that the hon. Member has himself raised, so that we know how to proceed. From the Ministry’s point of view, we are still willing to appear before the PAC."
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"content": "Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance, you said to the House that you would meet the PAC with a view to arriving at an amicable settlement, or resolution, of the matter. As I understand it from where I sit, amicable resolution does not involve interpretation of the law as to whether or not the CBK can be audited – that is why it is amicable. You are trying to settle any areas of dispute and then you arrive at an amicable settlement. The Member for Sirisia will tell you for free that, that should be the position. You do not talk about amicable settlement and then come back and say, “We want you to interpret the law as to whether or not the CBK can be audited.” Then we are not talking!"
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"content": " Mr. Speaker, Sir, as I said, we are ready to appear before the PAC. It is for the Committee to invite us. As you heard from the hon. Member there is that issue. For us, we are ready to appear before the PAC at any time. I am really not sure how to answer the Question. It is not that I have received an invitation from the Committee and I have refused to attend. I am yet to receive an invitation from the PAC to attend its meeting."
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"content": "On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir."
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"content": "Order, Member for Mutito! I know you want to speak to this matter, but it can be settled quickly, so that we save on time. Mr. Minister, as the HANSARD says, you gave an undertaking to the House that you would meet the PAC and attempt to arrive at an amicable resolution of the matter. In fact, those are the exact words in the HANSARD. Will you please make that effort and now indicate to the House how long it will take you to arrive at that amicable settlement? If you fail to, then I will make a ruling on whether or not CBK should be audited. As it is now, we are not yet there and we should not be there. Please, do not take us there. Member for Ikolomani, I am sure you appreciate what I am saying. The country is looking for resolution of this matter on whether or not De La Rue will still be the one printing our currency notes, and if so on what terms. Is there going to be a partnership between the Government and De La Rue? What are the conditionalities? How does it affect the Kenyan taxpayer? Minister, essentially, that is what we are looking for, and that is the way you must go. Confirm that you will do so and say how long you will take. Should we give you two weeks?"
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"content": " Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am ready to meet him now."
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"content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to thank the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance for agreeing to meet us as soon as tomorrow, but could he also confirm that he is opening the doors for a special audit, so that before I meet him I am sufficiently armed to interrogate him? This matter is so complex. We are dealing with four different companies whose details are at the CBK. We are talking about investment, that is the seed money that was put in the CBK many years ago, and those details are at the CBK. We are dealing with the changing of Cabinet decisions. One Government---"
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"content": "Order, Member for Ikolomani! You know those are matters that you will now raise at that meeting. Can you meet tomorrow, Minister?"
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"content": " Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would want to sit down with the hon. Member, who is the Chair of PAC, because he is not just inviting me as the Minister. There are other officers and I need to ensure that the date and time we agree on is suitable. It is not a personal issue; rather it is an issue relating to the CBK and the Treasury and we need the officers there. It is just a question of agreeing when all the officers and hon. Members are available and then we meet."
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