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"content": " Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, am I out of order in any way? I am responding to what Mr. Olago Oluoch said."
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"content": "On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir."
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"content": "What is out of order, Mr. Baiya? Proceed, Mr. Baiya!"
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I also listened to the statement that has been made by the Chief Justice and at no time have we heard the Chief Justice defending the decision of the High Court on merit. That would actually embarrass him if he sat on the appeal. He has merely sought to defend the principle that if you have any issue with the decision, the right pattern and the right thing to do is to go on appeal. Is it in order, therefore, for the Executive to keep attacking the Chief Justice for doing that which he has actually sworn to do – to defend the Judiciary?"
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"content": "On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I raised that issue, first of all, and I have heard my junior colleagues, through the Minister, talk about it as well. The issue that we find unpalatable is that when a matter is live; a matter is trite, then the Chief Justice comments about it. Whether it comes before him by way of contempt proceedings or it comes before him by any other proceedings, he should not be commenting in public! All lawyers should know that."
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"content": " Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, that is all I said. I did not say anything beyond that. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, hon. C. Kilonzo also asked about the lawyers who probably misrepresented or inadequately represented the Government in this case. I believe the Attorney-General is hearing this and I thank you for pointing out that because if there was proper representation, we would not be where we are in the first place. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, hon. Ngugi asked about plan “b.” Plan “b” on this is the appeal that we are pursuing and I believe that it has very good chances of success. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, hon. Shebesh talked about South Sudan. In fact, the hon. Member is on the same page with me. We are the Chair of the CPA Implementation Committee of IGAD, which takes care of issues of South Sudan and we are trying to protect this as well. South Sudan has no difficulty with what Kenya is doing because we have diplomatic relations with South Sudan. We have an ambassador there, Amb. Leshore, and they have Amb. Majok here as their ambassador, and we have a wonderful relationship. We have no difficulties with this. President Bashir is being indicted at the ICC on matters of Darfur and not on matters of South Sudan. So, South Sudan is not an issue at all. The reference to activists was not to demean anybody. I mean the word “activism” is commonly used in this country. Everybody uses it. I do not want to deal with abstract. However, we have enormous interest in Sudan as a friend, neighbour, trading partner and as a party to the CPA. Above all, it is a strategic importance to our air routes to the rest of the world. If they were not there, we would still care because it is an African country like we are."
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I think the three arms of Government, whether it is the Judiciary, the legislature or the Executive, must be ready at all times for Kenyans of any standing to give their views of any judgement. I think the Chief Justice must come to the reality of that. Under our new Constitution, Kenyans will give their views on any judgement. Having said that, I think the Office of the Attorney-General has been exposed. I am sure it is not only in this case, but there are many other cases that the Government has lost due to inefficiency. They might even in future see more cases of this nature. There is an AU position on President Bashir and the ICC. There is an IGAD position which Kenya has signed. I think it is now that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs must re- look at its foreign policy. Now that this has happened, and now that he has appealed, what is the Kenyan foreign position that in future we will not endanger our interests because every country in the world cares about its interest, including the Americans? So, the Kenyan interests are more important than any other country’s interest. So, what is your foreign policy and what is the Kenyan interest from Sudan and other countries?"
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, as I speak now, there is a court order which is in force. That court order has not been overturned. I would like the Minister to confirm that since he is reported as having said that they want to invite Mr. Bashir to come to the country. Could he confirm that if he steps his foot here, he will be arrested on the spot so as to comply with the Constitution of Kenya which provides that the rule of law must be upheld? The second clarification is that the Minister has clearly said they fear the loss of trade. He talked about US$250 million in tea. Is he also aware that the route he is pursuing risks our country in being given economic and trade sanctions by the international community because he wants to convert our country into a pariah state? Finally, because, apparently, Mr. Bashir seems to have a very big voice in the Executive, we would like the Executive to know that the public which voted for the new Constitution has also got a very big voice in this Parliament. It is important---"
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"content": "Order!"
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"content": "My last clarification."
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