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"content": "Mr. Wetangula, do you want to be informed?"
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"content": " No, I do not wish to. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, Dr. Khalwale asked whether we are going to obey the court order. If you listened to me, I said very clearly - and my learned senior, Mr. Imanyara, came in late – that, that is a judgment in error. I have heard you say it in court when you are arguing your appeals on any judgment. I said this is a judgment incapable of obedience. I never said that we will not obey it. I never said this is a judgment we will not execute. Secondly, ---"
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"content": "On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Is it in order for the Minister to mislead this House by splitting hairs and saying that, that judgment is incapable of compliance when, in fact, we are bound and are required to comply with it? The order of the High Court of Kenya is the final determinant of all these interpretations that the Minister is giving, including the Vienna Convention. The judge was perfectly aware of all these conventions and yet, he made that order. Will this Government comply or not comply with a court order of the Republic of Kenya?"
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"content": " Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, further, Dr. Khalwale talked about the popularity of the judgment. Once a judgment is passed, values as to whether it is popular or not are neither here nor there. The parties to the case can choose and elect to appeal. This case was filed by the International Commission of Jurists (K) against the Attorney-General and the Minister of State for Provincial Administration and Internal Security."
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"content": " On a point of information, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir."
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"content": " I do not want it! Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Attorney-General, as the principal respondent, has filed an appeal. Popularity or the lack of it is neither here nor there. We should wait for the outcome of the appeal. The Member for Lari asked about the security of our students and nationals. They are perfectly secure and there is no harm pending to them. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, on Mr. Imanyara’s clarification, the Executive is part of this Government. The Executive respects the Constitution because it is founded on the Constitution. The Executive respects the Constitution and that is why it has asked the Attorney-General to appeal against the ruling. Mr. Chanzu thought that this is a one-sided affair; Kenya has had no issues with Sudan other than the ruling. It is Sudan that has issues with Kenya because of the ruling and we are responding in accordance with the issues raised. Of course, we can also have issues, but they are not necessary at this stage. Thank you."
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"content": "On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Is the Minister in order to fail to respond to my question? He has given an assurance of two weeks and yet, he is not the Chief Justice. Does he know a way that the decision is going to be made within two weeks? If so, can you tell us how you know that and you are not in the Judiciary?"
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"content": " Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, if my learned junior, Milly, listened to me very well, I never said that Yusuf Haji and I gave two weeks. We said that Sudan expects a response from Kenya in two weeks; those are different things. I did not say that we gave an assurance of two weeks. The appeal has been filed and it will come when we reach it. Let us wait for the appeal to take its course and let us respect what is going on in court."
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"content": "On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Sorry to drag you back. I had asked the Minister to tell us whether, in his mind, it is worse to invite international trade sanctions against losing business with Sudan because of enforcing the court order."
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"content": " Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, that is another point that I had omitted to answer. Dr. Khalwale asked whether I said we will invite President Bashir to come to Kenya. I also saw it in the media. I said - and it must be on a clip in all media houses, including international media - that Kenya is going to ask IGAD to call for a meeting very urgently to deal with the outstanding issues of the CPA because they were on the agenda of the Summit that we held in Addis Ababa on 25th . But because the President of Sudan and the President of Southern Sudan were not there, the agenda was put aside. When the meeting is called - and I hope it will be called in Addis Ababa because the Chair of IGAD is the Prime Minister of Ethiopia - we will be there to attend hoping that the President of Sudan and the President of South Sudan as the two principals, will be there to resolve the outstanding issues. If President Bashir was to come to Kenya, it is certainly not the Ministry of Foreign Affairs or any other Ministry to invite him. That is because Ministers do not invite Presidents to visit other countries. It is the Head of State who can invite another Head of State. I cannot be that careless as to say that I will invite President Bashir because I have no capacity to invite him. Secondly, there is absolutely no risk of any sanctions on Kenya arising out of the altercations on this case. I am sure the international community is more serious than that."
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