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"content": " Hon. Members, please, stop amusing the hon. Member who is speaking, so that he can contribute to the Motion."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, this Motion is very important because even the issue which sometimes we do not want to talk about here, that is, the youth, women and so on--- Sometimes you meet people who look at very short-term gains in markets and insist that if you do not finish with them at that time, it is like life is coming to an end. If you told somebody that you have his Kshs100 and you want to keep it for him and by the end of the year, it will be more, they do not want to wait, because they do not see the benefit. However, if they can have access to information where they can see that if you keep money in a place, after about five years, it will be this much and you can buy this--- That information is lacking because people wake up in the morning, go to market places, come back and do not even have a place where they can go and access some information. Planning of towns and so on in this country is very pathetic. We are now suffering a lot of traffic jams because of poor planning. We did not look ten or 20 years ahead. We are using roads which were built by the mzungu when the population of Nairobi was very low. The other day, the Minister was trying to answer a Question on the expansion of Thika Road and the problem experienced where other roads join. If it was done with proper planning earlier on, maybe it would have been better to try to open up all these places first before doing a major road which now creates a lot of blockage. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, we have also had a problem with disaster in this country. Right now, it is raining and we can see the kind of disasters that are happening. Water is killing people. If we had information and planned well for this water, we would not be having these disasters. We would be using this water to generate electricity, irrigate our farms and so on. So, this Motion will help us a lot in disaster management. With regard to planning in smaller towns, it is becoming funny for people who use Kisumu Airport and move to town. I do not know whether Bonny has experienced this. There is traffic jam at Kondele because of poor planning. It is a small town and now it is becoming impossible to move. So, if you want to go to the airport, you cannot reach there on time."
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"content": "Kisumu is a city!"
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, Kisumu is a city, but it is still small in terms of size. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, with those few remarks, I beg to support. The Committee on Implementation should move fast and have this Motion in place."
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"content": "Thank you, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker. I rise in support of this Motion. I want to start by congratulating Dr. Ottichilo for bringing this Motion. He has now acquired a niche of bringing Motions that are not only enlightening us, as Kenyans, but also pushing Kenya towards catching up with the information age. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, the support of this Motion means that we are pushing the Government to set up a system that becomes a major planning tool. This is because with the Geo-Information System (GIS), we shall say goodbye to demolitions and excavation of roads to let water pipes or any other communication equipment to pass through. Everything will be planned and we move in an orderly way. Even the congestions in town, such as the immediate past speaker was talking about, will be minimized because everything will go on in an orderly manner. They say that if you do not plan, you plan to fail. So, this is allowing us, as a country, to advance in the way we plan our development. I was just thinking of the sort of questions that we ask in this House about allocation and reallocation by the Treasury. If we have this system in place, we will be able to track the allocated funds, their use and even with discretionary funds, we will be able to see how the discretion holders are spending those funds. In Ministries where there is infrastructure, there is always a discretionary fund which becomes a tool of those in authority to use as they please. If there is transparency in how they allocate, we are able to track what they are doing at the touch of a button. It makes people more careful in what they do. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I am also imagining about the fraud that is escalating through mobile phones, where we have been told that people in prison are perpetuating fraud, obviously aided unabated by those looking after them or people outside the prisons. With this sort of system, we will be able to track the owners of all mobile phones. We are moving towards having every purchase of a mobile phone registered. If we have such information and it is online, we are able to access it. Therefore, it will not take the time of the police to investigate who is the phone user for a phone that has perpetuated fraud. Things will become much easier. We may not eliminate wrongdoing, but our response time will be minimized."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I am also imagining the experiences people go through when they go to search for information at the Lands Registry. We hear the Government blaming the Syokimau residents who have been traumatized by the demolitions. All those around Nairobi and elsewhere, who have been traumatized by demolitions and evictions, when they go to search at the Lands Office, they are falling at the hands of fraudsters and given searches which are not authentic. When there is transparency in the way the information is stored and accessed, then the public is more likely to get accurate information. If there is any inaccuracy, the time to respond and detect it, is much sooner. This is a system that we needed like yesterday. That is why I began by congratulating my colleague, Dr. Ottichilo. Even at the Registrar of Companies, searches are still taking long. Registering companies is taking long because they too have to search for information to know that there is no other company by those names. They need certain details of people and have to liaise with other Government departments. When everything is on this system and the information is easily accessible, even Government offices will discharge their responsibilities well. This is a Motion that when implemented - I will not say if, because Parliament must force implementation of what it passes - will unlock the potential of this country. Recently, I asked a Question about the number of patients with fractures at the Kerugoya District Hospital and those needing metal appliances to fix their fractures. In supplementary, I asked the Minister regarding all our public hospitals. That is not information the Minister could stand there and give readily, but it is information that would have been available not just to the Ministry for purposes of planning, but even to us as legislators. We would not have spent the time asking the Minister information that is at our fingertips. This information would have helped the Government to formulate policy and to realize that by having people stay in hospital because they cannot afford the metal appliances that would fix their fractures, the Government ends up spending much more money on their upkeep. Therefore, it would make economical sense to supply all accident victims with that sort of treatment, so that they can leave the hospital beds for others. I am only saying this to underscore the importance of the GIS for purposes of planning. Today, the information available to us, even about our constituencies and any region in Kenya, can only be found in Google and we cannot complain whether Google is accurate or not. That is the information that we get. It is the only available quick information. How about us, as a country, providing this information to every Kenyan and to anybody who wants to know anything about Kenya? In procurement, what encourages rent seeking is the opaqueness. If you can track procurement online, it means it is open for everybody to see and it becomes much more difficult to try and seek to manipulate or alter the specifications or even to help alter for a preferred contractor when the process is on because it is exposed. This is about transparency, accountability and planning. This is a Motion that I would call on colleagues to pass, so that we not only fulfill the requirements of Article 35, but we do ourselves a favour for having a much desired planning tool. With those many remarks, I beg to support."
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"content": "Thank you, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, for the opportunity to make a few observations on this very critical Motion. I want to start by thanking the Mover of the Motion, Dr. Ottichilo, for bringing a very timely Motion and which is long overdue. Information gathering is very important because the information gathered enables the country or institutions to plan well for development. The information gathered requires to be disseminated, so that the implementers of the various projects are guided by it. I recall vividly the Mau Mau freedom fighters when they were fighting for the freedom of this country in 1950s. They had their command posts or information centres which were well coordinated and they were able to identify the enemies of the struggle for freedom. They were able to give names to the enemies of the freedom struggle who were at times called “ nyakeru”. These were the enemies of the freedom struggle. Therefore, this data centre is very important. It is, therefore, important to even recognize their role and those heroes and heroines who are remaining. This secretariat can accelerate that information, so that we can support those heroes. Accelerated data will quicken socio-economic and political development in our country. This information assisted the allied countries during the First and the Second World Wars. It was used by the Americans, the Japanese and even the European countries. The National Security data is very important. I recall that during the post- election violence in this country, the National Security Intelligence Service (NSIS) had produced information that was ignored by the Government. Expanded and well based information can stop unnecessary violence in our country. Countries that have invested heavily in this information like the United States of America, the Russians and the Israelis have made a big move in that direction. The creation of wealth is pegged on proper documentation of this information. We are talking about IDPs in this country but up to now, we cannot tell how many IDPs have been settled and how many have not been settled. The amount of land that has been procured and these people settled on is not known. Therefore, Geo-Information System will come readily to give that direction. Even the deadline for the settlement of the IDPs would have been given by this centre. We also have integrated IDPs in this country and their position and status are not known. The Ministry of State for Special Programmes would have been better placed to utilize this information. The national relief food supply in this country can be done very satisfactorily using this information. The Members of Parliament or even the Provincial Administration should not be going to the Ministry of State for Special Programmes or any other Ministry, to look for food. This data can also transform that information and the necessary will be done."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, on transport, we want to know how many buses are in this country. We want to know how many matatu vehicles and bodaboda motorcycles are there, so that the Government can have better ways of expanding the road network in this country. Therefore, the proposed secretariat will go a long way in assisting the development of this country."
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