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"content": " Hon. Members, can you, please, consult quietly?"
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, we have people who are fighting for land in this country. With proper information, we will know where land is available and whose land it is. Land grabbers will be locked out. It is also important to appreciate that those countries which are very advanced have created information secretariats, which guide the people. We want the proposed secretariat to be established in our counties. As we start the county governments, we want this secretariat to be in place. Information centres should also be started in primary and secondary schools, as well as in our universities. Therefore, enough funds should be set aside for this very important engagement. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I conclude by saying that this is a very timely Motion and should, therefore, be supported by all hon. Members."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I want to start my contribution by congratulating Dr. Ottichilo for coming up with a very timely Motion, and for doing the work that should be done by the Executive arm of the Government, which is formulation of policy. I want to go straight to areas which we should improve. I am going to narrow down on three areas. As I contribute to the Motion, I would like to take the opportunity to speak about climate change talks that are going on in Durban, Republic of South Africa. We also know that the conference of parties is taking place. In those talks, there is a critical issue about the Kyoto Protocol, and whether or not the Kyoto Protocol will be renewed. The Kyoto Protocol remains the only legal instrument through which African and developing countries have to hold the developed world to account. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, the Kyoto Protocol talks about mitigation by the developed countries by cutting down their greenhouse gas emissions, and adaptation by vulnerable countries like Kenya of the climate change mitigation initiative. I heard the Minister for Environment and Mineral Resources very clearly articulate issues in the Kyoto Protocol, but I would want to say that even as we speak with confidence about the Kyoto Protocol, without the kind of information that Dr. Ottichilo is talking about in this Motion, it would be an exercise in futility. If we do not have the kind of policy that gives us information to be able to plan, even if we achieve big protocols internationally, we cannot implement them. Let me speak specifically about disaster risk reduction. The issue of disaster risk reduction---"
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"content": "(Dr. Shaaban was consulting with Eng. Gumbo)"
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Minister who is supposed to be replying to this Motion is not listening to what I am saying. Maybe, you should ask her to listen."
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"content": " Hon. Minister, are you listening to the hon. Member? Who is the Minister who is going to respond on behalf of the Government? Please, Minister, listen to the hon. Member on the Floor."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, even if nobody else listens, I would like the Minister to listen because she will be responding on behalf of the Government. The Member for Rarieda should probably give the Minister a few minutes to listen."
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"content": "I am speaking about the issue of disaster risk reduction, and it is one of the components that highly need the kind of geo-information policy that we are speaking about through this Motion. I am saying this because all the Ministries in this country must have a component of disaster risk reduction, especially Ministries that deal with the of food security. I am specifically talking about the Ministry of Agriculture, the Ministry of Environment and Mineral Resources, the Ministry of Water and Irrigation and the Ministry of Energy."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, if these Ministries do not have components of disaster risk reduction in their planning and policies, what happens is what happens every year in this country. A crisis is created. Food is not available. The maize crop in the last season failed because we did not look at the necessary information, which must have been available. If information was not available then, it must be made available. So, we always find ourselves dealing with crises. It is unfortunate that the policy on disaster risk reduction continues to lie somewhere in a cabinet. It has not been brought to the Floor of this House. We still have a climate change policy that has also not seen the light of the day on the Floor of this House. It continues to be moved from one Ministry to another. Therefore, what this Motion is talking about will probably help to address those critical issues. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, when we go to the issue of gender, we have been saying that we have information and data on gender. We have been saying that this information is available, and that it can help us look at critical areas where gender discrimination is being practised. This information may be available at certain levels but it is not available at the national level for everybody to look at, be they in the public or private sector. Certainly, it is not available at the county level. Again, this Motion is speaking critically to the issue of information on gender and development. I like the aspect of gender development, because we are not just looking at representation of women, but how women and men are playing equal participation in development in this country. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, lastly, I would like to speak about the issue of the youth. The young people of this country are techno savvy. They are people who know how to build very complicated ICT systems which are used internationally. Therefore, we are not lacking people who can come up with this kind of information. The days of Government using physical files are gone. You find that when a Government Ministry wants to look at something, they ask for a file. That is why we are seeing such a mess at the Ministry of Lands. Files are avenues for corruption. A file can disappear and information that is so critical disappears with that file. This Motion is speaking to a web-based spatial data infrastructure, both at the national and county level. What we are saying is that this information will never disappear. This information cannot be used for corrupt purposes. Where land is will be clearly stated and who owns it can be clearly stated. Where you can develop and where you cannot develop will be clearly stated. This can be done by the young people of this country who are trained and who are hungry for work. This is also the way to create work for our young people who are highly trained in ICT. With those remarks, I beg to support the Motion."
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"content": " Thank you very much, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker---"
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