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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:- THAT, Clause 2 be further amended— (a) by deleting the definition of the term “Minister”; (b) in the definition of the term “engineer” by deleting the words “graduate engineer” appearing immediately after the words “professional engineer”; (c) by inserting the following new definition in its proper alphabetical sequence— “Cabinet Secretary” means the Cabinet Secretary for the time being responsible for matters relating to engineering”; (d) by inserting the following new definition in its appropriate sequence - “survey” means all types of physical inspection of facilities for engineering purposes but does not include land, hydrographic or aerial surveys;"
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"content": " Hon. Gumbo, you need to withdraw part (c) of your amendment as the Minister’s amendment has been carried. It is similar to the Minister’s amendment."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Chairlady, it is just reinforcing it. It is the same."
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"content": " Yes, that means you withdraw it, because the Minister’s amendment has been carried."
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"content": "Fair enough, Temporary Deputy Chairlady. I propose that Clause 2 be amended as per the Order Paper, subject to withdrawal of part (c) of the amendment."
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"content": " Madam Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I have no objection to the proposals under parts (a) and (b) of Eng. Gumbo’s amendment and the deletion of part (c), but I have a problem with part (d) of the proposed amendment. Under part (d) of the amendment, the hon. Member is attempting to define the word “survey”. That would mean we are protecting the word “survey” in this law. I do not think it is the intention of this Bill to protect the word “survey” because there is no attempt, even on the part of the engineers, to protect the word “engineer”."
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"content": "The hon. Member says that survey does not include land, hydrographic or aerial surveys. I am aware that you can also do survey on poverty, housing and many other forms of surveys. So, I would want to ask that part (d) of Eng. Gumbo’s amendment be also excluded."
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"content": " Eng. Gumbo, the Minister is opposing part (d) of your amendment, and he has given his explanation. What do you propose, as the Mover of the amendment?"
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