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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Chair, I beg to move:- THAT, Clause 8 be amended by deleting the word “a” appearing in subclause (3). Madam Temporary Deputy Chair, it is just a typographical error."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Chair, I have a further amendment. I beg to move:- THAT, Clause 8 be further amended in subclause (3), by— (a) inserting the words “from outside the Board” immediately after the words “co- opt persons”; (b) inserting the following new proviso at the end thereof— “Provided that the persons co-opted by the Board shall be registered engineers”."
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"content": " Madam Temporary Deputy Chair, I would not have wished to contradict what the hon. Member is saying but my only worry is that it is going to be limiting. If you look at that particular clause, it says:- “The Board may, where it considers appropriate, co-opt persons by virtue of their knowledge or expertise in specific areas to be members of its committees”. Engineers are also human beings. They will also be handling issues that concern humanity. Therefore, they may wish to co-opt, if it is a personnel or gender issue, an appropriate person for that purpose, for that moment. So, if we limit it to: “Provided that the person co-opted to the Board shall be registered engineers”, then the engineers will have no benefit at all from the contribution of non-engineers in matters which could be related to personnel management or gender. Therefore, I want to plead with the hon. Member that we retain it the way it is, so that there is some freedom for the committee. It may be something to do with accounting. So they may wish to co-opt the chairman of the Certified Public Accountants Kenya (CPA-K) to discuss with them that particular issue. I would want to persuade the Member to allow the clause to remain as it is in the Bill."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Chair, actually this is something we have discussed with the Minister. However, my view is that when you want to get expert opinion from accountants, they do not have to be members of the Board to give you that opinion. I am pleading with the Minister to understand my point of view. When you want to get expert opinion on gender issues, I do not think they have to be members of the Board. It was my thinking that this being a very professional Board, anyone who gets co- opted as members of the Board, really ought to be an engineer. However, that does not bar getting outside opinion from experts. I mean we do not monopolize knowledge but I think it would be good to restrict the Board; both permanent members and co-opted members; as registered engineers. I must say that we have discussed it with the Minister."
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"content": "Very briefly, Madam Temporary Deputy Chair, I would like to support the position presented by the Minister. This is because this is a very professional body. Therefore, it would be erroneous if teachers or agriculturalists were appointed to this body. Therefore, I would like to restrict or go by the position of the Minister that we leave engineers alone to continue---"
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"content": " You are now contradicting yourself, hon. Member! Are you supporting the Member or the Minister? The Minister’s position is that other people can join the Board."
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