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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:- THAT, Clause 44 be amended by inserting the following new paragraph immediately after paragraph (c)— “(c) knowingly submits a land survey, valuation or environmental impact assessment document prepared by a person who is not licensed to prepare such document under any written law in force.”"
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I would like to know the import of that amendment."
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"content": " Hon. Kivuti, could you briefly explain the import of your amendment?"
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Chairlady, the import of this amendment is to avoid a situation where unqualified persons prepare survey works, valuations or environmental impact assessments which are subsequently submitted through engineers for use. This has happened in the past and this matter was discussed with the Committee and accepted."
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"content": " Mr. Minister, do you have a comment on this?"
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"content": " Madam Temporary Deputy Chairlady, as much as I would like to sympathize with that proposal, to me, it looks like it should be an amendment in another law and not The Engineers Bill. So, my recommendation to the hon. Member, if I can persuade him, is that this is an issue on land survey and we are discussing a matter to do with The Engineering Bill. So, it looks to me like it is a very good amendment to their relevant law as surveyors."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Chairlady, the Minister is trying to avoid a matter of fact. If he tells us that under this law, there will be no inputs or submissions by any land surveyors, I will be in a position to say that this House should drop this matter. But the truth of the matter is that there is no road design which can be made without the input of a land surveyor. That is a fact!"
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"content": " Madam Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I want to ask the hon. Member to relax. I also want to indicate to him that the engineers employ land surveyors. We would like the---"
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"content": "On a point of order, Madam Temporary Deputy Chairlady. The Minister is out of order to tell this House that land surveyors, who are licensed under Survey Act, Cap.299 and are members of ISK and not Engineer’s body, are employed by engineers. They are not!"
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