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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Chair, I beg to move:- THAT, Clause 49 be amended— (a) in subclause (1), by deleting the words “engineering surveys” appearing immediately after the words “submit plans”; (b) in subclause (2), by deleting the word “surveys” appearing immediately after the words “submit engineering plans”."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Chair, I understand the issues that the Member has in mind in proposing this amendment, but like the Minister said earlier, survey really is a generic term. We do survey on HIV/AIDS, we do economic surveys and we do surveys when we want to know how many children drop out of school because of early pregnancy. I wish the Member could understand. In our work as engineers, today if we have a problem in this Chamber and Parliament wants to engage somebody, they would ask you to survey the Chamber and advise them on what needs to be done. I do not think it is an infringement on the distinguished profession of land surveying. I would wish the Member to let it carry through."
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"content": " So, you are opposing the amendment?"
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Chair, I had occasion to discuss this matter with hon. Gumbo and that is why both me and hon. Gitari had come up with a compromise amendment which we agreed with hon. Gumbo to put under Clause 2. We can drop this amendment in Clause 49 if we define that the survey which is in the Act is purely generic and does not touch on lands survey, hydrographic survey and aerial survey. The definition of survey in Article 22 of the Survey Act clearly states that all land and aerial surveys in Kenya can only be done under the direction of the Department of Survey in Kenya. I would like to seek the indulgence of the Minister if he can get a compromise because we also talked with him last week. We do not want to have a conflict of what is surveying and what is not surveying. Then this compromise would be in the definition part where we say that this survey is a generic work for all types of economies and everybody else and does not include the survey defined in the Survey Act."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Chair, I have listened to this and with all respect to my friend, hon. Gumbo, calling another profession generic; all professions can be generic because you can re-engineer your life and everything. So, if you have a profession that is registered and has a statute, if its services are needed, it is good also to appreciate that all these are complementary services. All professions including what we have here can be called generic depending on how you look at it. Therefore, I support the amendment."
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