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            "content": " Are you supporting the amendment or opposing it? The amendment is asking for it to be deleted. That is what you are asking for the deletion of the word “survey”."
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            "content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Chair, I moved the amendment to carry through. Because of Eng. Gumbo wanting to oppose it, the only way we can have a compromise, and we discussed this with the Minister, is if we go back to Clause 2 and accept what we had agreed with Eng. Gumbo as a definition of survey."
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            "content": " Hon. Kivuti, we cannot go back to Clause 2."
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            "content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Chair, if we cannot go back to Clause 2, then we have to remove the word “survey” as it is in Clause 49."
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            "content": " Madam Temporary Deputy Chair, listening to hon. Mureithi, I do not think hon. Gumbo said that the profession of surveyors is generic. It is the use of the word “survey”. I had opportunity to look at this Oxford Advanced Learners Dictionary which gives me the meaning of the word “survey” as a noun as (1) An investigation of the opinion, behavior of a particular group of people which is usually done by asking them questions. (2) The act of examining and recording of the measurements, which I think is land survey. The other meaning is taking by population survey. (3) An examination of the conditions of a house usually done for somebody who is thinking of buying and (4), a general study, view or description of something. I have a lot of respect and I think they have used the right words “land survey”. We are simply saying engineering survey, population survey and disease survey. If we are now going to place the word “survey” under protection, it means it cannot be used by any other person anywhere else. I want to plead and persuade the Members that so long as they describe survey as land survey, we will describe our engineering as engineering survey. Those are two professionals carrying out some surveys for a people."
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            "content": " Hon. Members, we cannot go on forever on this small matter. We must move. We can vote and then dispense of the matter. It is clear, the difference between the choices of the word “survey” used in the general sense that has been described in the dictionary."
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            "content": "On a point of order, Madam Temporary Deputy Chair. With all due respect, the description that the Minister has put through will put in jeopardy all the other professions. In that case, I move that this amendment be passed, so that it will not jeopardize even the Act which we are putting in place. It will also not jeopardize all the other surveys that exist."
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            "speaker_name": "Dr. Laboso",
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            "content": " Hon. Member, you are using the word “survey” in a very restricted way, but the Minister has read five different meanings of the word “survey”."
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            "content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Chairlady, it is important for us to look at whatever amendment hon. Kivuti is talking about. In the first amendment, he is talking about engineering survey. With due respect, engineers are here and they know what we mean by “engineering survey”. It is not evasion. Engineering survey is the survey we do. We also call it “topographical survey” for purposes of design. If we now narrow down to survey alone---"
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                "legal_name": "Joseph Gachoki Gitari",
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            "content": "Engineering survey is done on roads. In the case of buildings, we have topographical survey."
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