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"content": "Thank you, Madam Temporary Deputy Chairlady. I stand to oppose this clause. There is no justifiable reason why engineers should be above all other professionals such as surveyors and architects. I do not think this is fair at all in any country, particularly in Kenya. We should be able to leave engineers to practice within their own norms. They have their own Engineers’ Registration Board which controls the engineers. We also have the Land Surveyors Board which controls the surveyors. We also have the Architectural Association of Kenya which controls architects, just like we have lawyers’ body which controls lawyers and all the other professions."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I think we should not push this too far to make engineers above every other profession."
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"content": "Thank you, Madam Temporary Deputy Chairlady."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I just need to explain. With all due respect to my colleague, he is taking it out of context. The proposal is very clear; it restricts only on matters of engineering. It does not infringe on any other law. In fact, it reads:-"
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"content": "“On all matters relating to providing professional engineering services”"
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"content": "That is what it says! Really, how does that infringe on the practice of survey?"
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"content": "On a point of order, Madam Temporary Deputy Chairlady."
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"speaker_name": "Dr. Laboso",
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"content": " What is your point of order? And it should be a point of order, Mr. Kivuti!"
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Chair, my point of order is that, we should not read this sentence only the first bit. It goes on to say:-"
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