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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, the spirit of this Bill is very good. It opens the door for much more amendments that are required for the public procurement, especially to bring in our youth and the people in the counties. As we talk about the youth, let us also remember we have a lost generation. The 1980s and 1990s produced a lost generation in this country. These are the people who are the fathers of some of these children. These people have gone beyond 35 years. These are the people we find now sitting around in the shopping centres, drinking. They have nothing to do; we cannot classify them as youths or adults. Now, are we going to have preferences for those as well? So, even as we start thinking of the youth, let us remember we have a lost generation. We need to take care of it. I am looking at those people; they are in their own age groups. Some are our agemates. We went to school with them. However, when you look at them, you would think they are our fathers. They have aged because of the vagaries of nature, the vagaries of Yokzuna and the other things they have been taking. You would actually think this is not the person you were with, in primary school. You would think that he is the father of your colleague because of what they have gone through. These are the people we need to also take care of as part of the marginalized groups. So, let us not just look at the age as the discrimination factor. Let us see how we can use this amendment to help them. I would like to urge the Members that when we go to the Committee Stage, we start looking through the spirit of this Bill. Let us have as many of these procurements going to Kenyans out there who deserve it rather than just targeting the young people, because their fathers may not even have the livelihoods. They may need to carry the burden of their fathers longer than the fathers could help them if we are to discriminate against them. If we say let 25 per cent go to those youths between 18 to 35 years and 75 per cent goes to the multinationals, we will not be helping our people. What will happen to those who are between 35 and 50 years who cannot participate in making furniture, or in selling stationary to the Government office? They are not youth. They are not in the capacity to supply, based on the international competitive bidding."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, that is my humble contribution. I would urge the Members, as we move forward, to seriously think so that we do not flout the Constitution in terms of discrimination. This law should become an enabler to facilitate as many people as possible to participate in this procurement, in the supply chain, rather than just segregating a small group, who may end up being the old youth of this country; not the youth we are targeting, whom we then can confine to the KKV. There are richer people who would be supplying them with the spade because they can afford it."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, with those remarks, I beg to support. I urge that those matters be looked at before we get to the Committee Stage."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I rise to support this amendment to the procurement Act by hon. Eugene Wamalwa."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, let me take this opportunity to thank hon. Eugene for his persistent thoughts for the youths. I want to begin by saying that I want to plead with hon. Eugene to take note of the sentiments of Mr. Kimunya whom we do not often quite agree with. But today, I think his sentiments are correct. I want to urge you to listen to them. He always thinks in unorthodox ways, but today I think he means well. I was in this House when he amended the procurement Act and I saw what happened. I think at the Committee stage, hon. Eugene would want to help us further, now that he has taken the initiative to make a raft of further changes in the Procurement Act. The reason why even the youth cannot afford to supply is because in these Ministries, particularly a pen is supplied for Kshs1,000. That pen at retail in a kiosk is Kshs10. So, it is theft. It is not procurement. I would wish to see a Bill that seals procurement loopholes."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, when I was a young teenager, there used to be a Ministry of Supplies and Procurement. I cannot remember who headed it. One time it was even merged with the Ministry of Co-operatives. That Ministry would procure everything from school milk to pens, pencils, exercise books, pens for offices, and everything, and everybody else could only go to fill their orders."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, today, we have a scenario where we are buying things for our Government Ministries at exorbitant prices. That money is going to individual pockets through corrupt means. That money is money which we could well use for infrastructural developments. It is in billions. I read somewhere that it is about Kshs7 billion which we lose in unnecessary and corrupt procurement of simple goods. I also would want to see a scenario where in law the Government is forced to buy locally. We keep talking about Vision 2030, how we want to rejuvenate and build a vibrant jua kali sector. How can a furniture maker hope for the future and the vision of 2030, if the same Government that is telling us, how they are going to be vibrant by 2030, is importing furniture from China?"
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, the same Government is buying furniture from Singapore and Malaysia. We want a scenario where we buy or procure locally first and if we cannot find it, then we go foreign and not the other way round. The furniture that I use in my house was bought from the Kenya Prisons Service (KPS); many people who have seen it come to me and tell me that they have also gone to the KPS and bought it, and it is for peanuts. The same furniture goes for hundreds of thousands if you go to Nakumatt. How do we expect to broaden and make vibrant our local economy if all the"
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"content": "pangas"
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"content": "we use today are imported from Brazil - a panga from Brazil with a handle made of a car tyre which, when I was growing up, used to be made in our local market! It is a shame! What do you expect a Jua Kali person from hon. Olago’s constituency, where the"
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