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"content": " What is your point of order, hon. Midiwo? Remember, this was a question on procurement!"
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"content": "On a point of order, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker. I do remember and I will remain relevant to that question."
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"content": "I would like to inform the Assistant Minister that the people who are supposed to do roads in Nyanza Province, particularly in the Lake Region, need not necessarily be from there. We now have a magnificent highway being done between Nairobi and Thika, and the person who is doing it so magnificently is from all the way in China. All we are saying is that we know. If I were to get another chance, I would tell you that M/s Hayer Bishan Singh Contractors Limited are corrupt. That is why their roads do not last one year. They do not put enough materials on the roads, and we are telling you so."
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"content": " What is out of order in what the Assistant Minister has said, Mr. Midiwo?"
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I was giving him information, so that he knows that people from Kisumu, Siaya and Busia Counties are telling me that they do not want M/s Hayer Bishan Singh Contractors Limited to do their roads. What is so special in him? We do not want him. Please, keep him away from us."
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"content": " So, it was a point of information. I do not think it was a point of order; continue, Assistant Minister."
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"content": " Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I agree with hon. Midiwo’s sentiments. I am only trying to say that as much as they do not want M/s Hayer Bishan Singh Contractors Limited to do their roads, we also want to challenge the people in that area. You must invest in the construction sector. You have said that Thika Road has actually been given to the Chinese. We do not want to give the Chinese even the village roads just next to you. We would rather that local contractors do those roads. “Local” does not mean M/s Hayer Bishan Singh Contractors Limited or anybody else. We are simply trying to say that when we go to Mombasa, we would want to encourage local capacity to be developed, so that when we go there we have about 10 contractors, and the best contractor wins."
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"content": "However, you find that when you go to that region, the only big contractor is M/s Hayer Bishan Singh Contractors Limited, although he has his own challenges. We note the allegations made by the hon. Member, and we would want to look into them, but for now the biggest challenge we have, not just at that level but even at the level of small roads, is that local contractors have very little capacity in terms of road construction in that particular area. If there is a road you want to do on an emergency basis, you cannot get somebody from China to come, bring the equipment, develop a quarry and do the road."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, therefore, what we are trying to say is that we want to give work to other contractors, or any other contractor for that matter; let it also go on record that we would really want to encourage local capacity in road building at that level, so that we can put road construction money into the local economy of the areas we will want to develop."
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