We have the first Motion by hon. Gatobu Kinoti. This Motion was already moved and seconded. Debate had already started on it. I can see that hon. Limo is interested in contributing to this Motion.
Thank you, hon. Deputy Speaker. I rise to contribute on this Motion, which talks about pure students who in most cases are unable to get adequate assistance for lack of identification. This is a very important Motion given that we are already doing mapping in our respective constituencies, so that we know where these students are. This
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Yes, hon. Dr. Pukose.
Thank you, hon. Deputy Speaker. I rise to support this Motion, taking into consideration that hon. Kinoti brought it at the right time; I think he needs to even go further, and come up with a Bill, which this House can enact. It is not just about the issue of poverty among poor people; what happens in some constituencies like where I come from, Endebess, is that many farms there are owned by the Agricultural Development Corporation (ADC). We have employees who are on permanent, temporary and casual terms; these people go for several months without a salary. One day I went to a house within my constituency and met a young boy called Ewoi and asked him “What would you want to become in life?” This young boy was in Standard Six and he answered “When I complete Standard Eight maybe I will become a
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Hon. Makali Mulu.
Thank you, hon. Deputy Speaker. I rise to support this very important Motion. As it is indicated in the Order Paper our new Constitution does
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Hon. Deputy Speaker, thank you for the opportunity to contribute to this very important Motion. In the African set-up, the common denominator that equates the rich to the poor is education. Unfortunately, it is not so universal because the circumstances that make children of the poor not to access education in secondary schools are the same as those that make create obscurity to the people who offer funds in the form of bursaries and sponsorships. I believe there are so many sponsors who would be willing to help. A very good example is that whenever we have an issue highlighted in the media, the following day we normally get many sponsors. So it is just because of lack of information that sponsors, people who have money and who are willing to assist and to make the lives of others better, do not take action.
If you look at the scenario in the villages, the bursaries, especially from the CDF and the Ministry, are normally balloted by a committee. In most cases unless that committee has a database it will not have information on who to give funds. So, what normally happens is that there is a lot of lobbying; that is why my friend from Kitui has said that the funds normally end up in the accounts of children of the rich, who do not actually deserve them.
To establish this databank, it is important that we use a system that is foolproof. I believe we can use the chiefs, but if you tell them that you need a databank of kids who are needy, so that you can give them bursaries, most of the times--- I am not saying it is like this everywhere; it is just human nature; sometimes they give the names of their kids or of kids of their friends. We should have a database after mapping out the population in terms of all the sectors.
The family profile should be provided, so that we know which families have needy cases. In many cases, the needy kids are normally in the hands of guardians, who, in most cases, are grandmothers, who are left with children when their daughters get married to far places. Sometimes it could be total orphans where the grandmother is in charge, and it is a grandmother who does not have information on where to access the bursaries. In the event that we decide to use only the information that we have in the Dos’ office, then the money does not get to the needy.
It has been unfortunate in some cases when children of the poor get admitted in secondary schools. I know of a case of a mother--- I think there is a relationship between the families that cannot afford education for their children and the number of children they bring up. I do not know why in most cases you find that such parents normally get very many kids, while the rich normally practice family planning. I know of a mother who had to move 20 kilometers to a school where her kids were learning. She is a labourer who has not earned a single cent for all the years she has worked, because everything goes to fees. It is not even enough and they have to hold Harambees to clear fees balances. You can imagine a poor mother who has to leave her farm, go live in a local shopping center and work for nothing except food.
On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. I want your guidance. Every Wednesday we pass so many Motions, private or party sponsored. We are told that they are taken to the Committee on Implementation. So far, we have passed so many Motions. Are they binding? Can we be guided because some of them are very important Motions, yet we do not see the fruits from them?
Hon. Members, I think you are aware that a Motion means you have come up with an idea that you would like the Government to consider, but we have to move it to the next level and make it a Bill. When you make it a Bill, you have to ensure that it is one that involves the Government in money matters, and that the Government, or the Minister, must be involved. So what has been happening in most cases--- You know Wednesday morning is when Private Members’ Bills, or Motions, are discussed. If you take it to the next level, we will discuss it here and--- We advise hon. Members that once you have moved it as a Motion then next it has to become a Bill. The work of the Committee on Implementation is when a Bill has been passed in the House; we give the Government 60 days and after that the Committee takes over to find out when the Bill passed in the House will be implemented. The Motions that we come up with here can also be implemented by the Government; it does not mean it is only Bills that are implemented. The Government can take it over and say if we have passed it in the House, then it was a good idea, and then tell us what measures they are taking to ensure that they implement the Motion, or, at least, part of it. So, a Bill is more binding than a Motion, but both of them are great ideas of this House. They enable the Government to know what direction they should take, and what policy they should be coming up with in their Ministries.
Thank you hon. Deputy Speaker for the opportunity. While many of us are new and have been very much encouraged to sponsor Motions, will you allow these Motions to materialize? I know our system of Government has completely changed; we are in a presidential system. We will really love to see one or two Motions implemented. With all this bureaucracy of 60 days, we will really love to see one of them implemented; from past experience, it the House can just become a talking shop. We just talk and talk and nothing materializes.
The implementation Committee will see how you can urge the Government to implement them. But, as I said, Motions are really not binding. What is binding is when the Motion becomes a Bill, and then it becomes an Act of Parliament. But that does not mean the House is a talking shop. That is why we are urging our Implementation Committee that these hon. Members’ efforts and ideas contained in all these Motions should not be in vain. The Implementation Committee will take it up and urge the Government to ensure these Motions are implemented. Can you proceed and give your contribution, hon. Mbiuki Kareke? If you get too many points of order--- I can see points of order by hon. Gikaria, hon. Murungi and hon. Kathuri, are those points of order on the subject matter of this Motion?
On a point of order, hon. Deputy Speaker. Under Standing Order 209 on the Committee on Implementation. I am a Member of that Committee and what my colleague has just said is true. If you look at Standing Order 209 (2), it states in part as follows:- “The Committee shall scrutinize the resolutions of the House (including adopted Committee Reports), petitions and the undertakings given by the National Executive and examine---“
The problem that we are facing is that, just as the Speaker said yesterday, this House passes resolutions but the Government has not given any commitment to implement them. Either there are no budget allocations or it is not that easy to implement
I think all your sentiments are very good. Let us see whether there will be a difference now that we are in a presidential system; but it is this same House that is controlling the Budget. Before the House was not in control of the Budget. Now that we are in a presidential system, let us see whether there will be a change in the sense that even the Budget and Appropriations Committee can also influence what Government is going to fund, using some of the Motions that hon. Members have come up with in this House, because you are controlling the Budget. I think we have better teeth this time round under the new dispensation than we did in the previous Government. Hon. Wambugu, I can see we are going to be derailed from the Motion at hand; let us not go too much into this
Thank you, hon. Deputy Speaker. This is just for clarification purposes and a bit of information. That issue has come up because most likely hon. Members of this House are not seeing things being implemented. It is good to let hon. Members know that Motions have been passed in this House and they have been implemented. Their effort is not going to waste. It is only that with time, if the Committee on Implementation is working, then we should start seeing reports on implementation. Hon. Deputy Speaker, formerly there could have been a problem because we did not have control over the Budget. But now the Budget is within the powers of the House; we are the ones who are controlling the finances and everything. We cannot expect a Motion which will be discussed in the House to be implemented tomorrow. I think things will start moving in the right direction. We have seen things being implemented after discussion in this House. Thank you, hon. Deputy Speaker.
Hon. Members, a lot of the things which you have passed here will eventually become actual Government policies. The issue of the aged and the youth being given funding, all started off as Motions, and eventually became a Bill. The Government took it over and now it is something that is implemented. So, do not look at the House as a talk shop, as hon. Shill said. It is only that this is the beginning. You are
Thank you, hon. Deputy Speaker. I hope the time keepers will now put my time as three minutes. I want to thank hon. Shill.
You had already used two minutes.
That was earlier, hon. Deputy Speaker. I am now under a new dispensation. I know how hon. Shill is feeling. In primary school, we used to debate issues in under a debating club and nothing used to happen. It is a feeling that nothing happens, even with what is passed in this House. I believe the ball is in the court of the Committee on Implementation. Hon. Deputy Speaker, when I was finishing, I was talking about the vicious circle of poverty, where children are brought up in a family where their father burns charcoal and they eventually end up going back to burning charcoal as well. If this Motion is implemented, it will help bright children from poor backgrounds. The way I see it, is that it does not actually even need funding. It is a question of implementing a policy. Governors and the county governments should be compelled by the national Government to keep a database that can be used to help needy children. Lastly, I want to touch on the issue which I believe must have come into this House during the 10th Parliament. It was a Bill which was brought by the late hon. Mutula Kilonzo to compel head teachers to release results of children who had actually cleared Form Four, and had not completed paying school fees so as to be given certificates to enable them find a source of earning income, and then be able to clear school fees balances. This has not happened in most cases. We still have very many children who have their certificates held by schools, on the demand that they have to clear their fees balances in order for them to get their certificates. These are the same children we are saying are not able to afford the fees. How can they afford school fees, when they do not have their certificates to enable them get some form of employment? With those very few remarks, I beg to support.
What is happening? Put it in the intervention button.
Thank you hon. Deputy Speaker, I also rise to add my voice to the many hon. Members who have spoken on the same Motion. We all know that the difference between the poor and rich in Kenya is very wide. That gives us so many students who are needy, and who should be going to school. Some of them are very bright. So, I stand to support the Motion because it touches on almost all of us. If there is a mechanism by which there could be a database which can be used even by the CDF itself--- I do support what CDF has done over the years, but I do not agree with the way it has been operating. For one thing, you realize that bursaries can be given to some students--- Let us say you want to give 100 students bursaries, but the way it is done right now, you find that students are given maybe a quarter or a half of what they need and, maybe, it is given only in the first term; meaning that the second and the third terms are left out. In my view, that does not assist many students. It should be given in such a
Your three minutes are over. Hon. Wanga has an amendment. Can we get that amendment?
Thank you hon. Deputy Speaker, I would like to thank very much hon. Kinoti for bringing this very important Motion. From consensus, I would like to then move an amendment to give this Motion even more teeth than it currently has. I beg to move that the Motion be amended by inserting the word “institution” after the word “public” appearing in the third last line. And by, inserting the words, “which shall take into consideration, when disbursing the bursaries” immediately after the words “fund committees” appearing in the second line. The gist of this amendment is that the motion as it is currently is, is basically saying that the data will be made available to the County Director of Education, the public and the other institutions without necessarily saying strictly that they should use that data bank when they are disbursing any bursaries. This is very important because it will curb any random distribution of bursaries to students, particularly who may not be the neediest in our communities. When we spend resources to create the data bank, we must also have mechanisms for ensuring that the data bank is the primary source of distribution of any bursaries by public institutions in our constituencies and counties. This amendment will ensure that anybody, or any public institution, whether it is a bursary fund started by the governor or any other public institution, uses the data bank as the primary tool for assigning or giving out bursaries. The amended Motion will, therefore, read--- I will start from the beginning.
Start from “This House urges”
Yes, it will read. This House urges the Government to establish a public data bank of all bright and poor students to be in the custody of the County Director of Education and such information be disseminated and made available to the public institutions, including the respective Constituency Development Fund Committees, which shall take into consideration when disbursing bursaries and any such other institutions that may be willing to support students.
Yes, hon. Iringo.
Thank you, hon. Deputy Speaker. I rise to support the Motion as amended. This country has come from a background where some communities are completely marginalized not because they wished to, but because of circumstances beyond their control.
I want to thank hon. Gatobu for moving this Motion. This should not only be to avail the information, but should be enlarged to make it mandatory, so that those children are also educated. Availing the information does not necessarily mean that the children will be assisted. We should also look a little bit further and ensure that we compel the
Thank you, hon. Deputy Speaker, for giving me an opportunity to contribute on this Motion. This is an extremely important Motion, in my view, because it addresses the needs of needy and poor students. Any nation that cannot take care of its poor and vulnerable people is not worth being called a nation. We have realized that in this country. Our Constitution takes care of the vulnerable people and the leading cause of vulnerability is poverty. You find that in Articles 43, 54 on disability and 53 on children and orphans. Before that, there are many Government programmes, about eleven, in various departments that are dealing with issues of poverty. Amongst them are children and the bursaries that they need. Also, there are programmes for the poor, old and people with disabilities. In this House, we have had three Motions since we started, that are dealing with issues of vulnerability. We need to take a wholesome approach to this. Hon. Deputy Speaker, we have put in place a Social Protection Bill and there is a big social protection programme that is going into that. I would, therefore, urge the Implementation Committee to look at all the Motions that have been passed and put them together in the Social Protection Act, and come up with a programme. That is what they did in Brazil. Then you have a single registry that deals with all aspects of poverty, whether it is old age, health care needs or bursaries for students, so that everything can be implemented. I am aware that some Members are worried that those things are not going to be implemented.
I am watching you, hon. Mule! You know the rules about crossing the Floor?
So, hon. Deputy Speaker, I can tell hon. Members that this is not a talk shop because I know one time in this House, a Bill was passed that increased the stipend that is given to old persons from Kshs1,500 to Kshs2,000. We were forced in the following financial year to do that. So, I think this is important. Let us get the documentation of this. Let us get a registry for those poor children. But I think what we need is a bigger picture on a social protection programme that will look at all those issues.
With that, hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to support.
Hon. Joseph Manje.
Thank you, hon. Deputy Speaker for giving me this chance to contribute to this very helpful Motion. A poverty cycle can only be broken by educating our youth. There is no other method and in order to help them, we have to have a data bank to know who we can help. If we organise a data bank, it will help the country to manage the resources it has as far as education is concerned. For example, you will find that there are so many people or Kenyans who would like to help but they do not know who they can help. So, if we get this data bank, I think those Kenyans will be going to where the information is and assist.
It will also help us to assist the people in an organised manner because the county governments will be offering bursaries. The Constituencies Development Fund (CDF) will be offering bursaries and also the Government will be offering the same. If we do not do it in an organised manner, then it means they will not help as much. Also, that information can be used by the Government in the management and planning. So, I tend to think this is a very good idea.
Hon. Deputy Speaker, we should not forget to say what we have in the country. We know our country today is experiencing a problem because teachers are not in class. I would like to urge Kenya National Union of Teachers (KNUT) to accept to negotiate with the Government. It is becoming a hostile union and it is refusing to negotiate. I urge them to negotiate. We cannot sit down as Members of Parliament and watch our kids and resources being wasted.
I am not digressing because we are discussing an issue on education but I realise that KNUT only operates during an election year and when the management is new. We should come up with a method of seeing how we can assist the country move forward and where unions will not be negotiating with the Government during an election year when the management is new. I urge them that this is a new Government and let us give them a chance. They will help the teachers because some of us in this National Assembly were teachers.
Thank you, hon. Deputy Speaker.
Hon. Agostino Neto.
Thank you, hon. Deputy Speaker. It is with a lot of emotion in my heart that I rise to support this particular Motion. Some of us were beneficiaries of bursary programmes by well-wishers who supported our schooling. In moments like those, the words of William Butler that: “Education is under a peel but yet a fire that is supposed to be lit each time” comes to my mind. That is because education is a process that, once it is started, should continuously be spooked so that the fire burns by.
Your time is up. Hon. Mwinga Gunga Chea.
Thank you hon. Deputy Speaker for giving me this opportunity to contribute to this Motion as amended. I must, from the outset, say that I support the Motion as amended. When we speak about children, we must be guided by the express provisions of the Constitution. That is Article 53(2) and, of course, the Children Act. When it comes to children, we are talking about the best interests of the child.
Hon. Deputy Speaker, as other Members have stated, some of us today are able to speak in this House having been beneficiaries of bursaries and other contributions from other well wishers. So, as we are here today, we must reiterate the fact that even as Members of the National Assembly, we should be able to come up with initiatives to get more money to assist those bright and needy students.
Hon. Deputy Speaker, I must say that having created a data base for identifying some of those needy students, we must also be able to exercise transparency in the distribution of those resources. We must be able to identify the very needy and we must employ all mechanisms available to ensure that really the bright and needy students benefit. I support a situation where if we are to support bright and needy students and those are students that we have identified, then we must be able to support them right
Ahsante sana, Mhe. Naibu Spika kwa fursa hii. Ningependa kumpongeza Mhe. Gatobu kwa kuleta Hoja hii hapa.
Ilivyozungumziwa mara nyingi, Kifungu 53(1)(b) kinatoa kwa uzito haki kwa kila mtoto kupata elimu, na kinasema kwamba ni lazima. Bunge litakapopata fursa ya kutekeleza Kifungo hicho cha Katiba, ni bora itafute ni vipi itawasaidia wale watoto.
Katika Hotuba ya kwanza ya Rais wa Taifa hili, Baba wa Taifa Mzee Jomo Kenyatta alitoa changamoto tatu kubwa ambazo ni umaskini, kutojua kusoma na kuandika na maradhi. Ni kwa nini kutoka miaka 50 iliyopita mpaka leo hatujapata zuluhisho la matatizo haya? Tunapozungumzia kuhusu elimu ya watoto, elimu ya watoto wanaoishi katika sehemu kame ni nadharia. Ikiwa watoto wa Kenya wana matatizo, watoto wa kutoka sehemu kame ya Kenya au watoto wa wafugaji wana matatizo mara kumi ukilinganisha na watoto wale wengine. Kwa nini nasema hivyo? Ni kwa sababu watoto wa wafugaji ni watoto ambao wanategemea mazingara. Ikiwa kumenyesha na kuna nyasi ya kutosha, wanapata fursa ya kusoma. Kukiwa na ukame, inabidi watoto hao watoke wanapoishi ili watafute malisho ya mifugo. Watoto hao wanaathirika.
Hoja hii inazungumza juu ya mtoto mwelevu. Watoto welevu ni tegemeo la taifa lolote. Kama watoto welevu ni tegemeo la nchi hii katika siku za uzoni, lazima kuwe na mikakati. Tuna pesa ngapi katika kila sehemu ya uwakilishi Bunge kuwawezesha watoto hao kusoma? Nasikitika kwamba katika sehemu ninayotoka hasa Boka, Ilimani na Asa, mpaka leo, watoto hawapati fursa ya kupata manufaa ya elimu ya kawaida.
Kwa hivyo, naunga Hoja hii mkono ilivyorekebishwa ili watoto kutoka jamii maskini waweze kupata elimu kama watoto wengine.
Thank you, hon. Deputy Speaker. I rise to support the Motion as amended. What we really need is a reliable and scientific formula to identify bright and needy students in the society. Our experience is that the whole thing is done in a haphazard manner. If you go to a constituency, you will find that the bursary that is given through the Ministry of Education is given to some students. The bursary component in the Constituency Development Fund (CDF) is also given to another lot while other donors who may come in assist different students. In most cases, you will find that it is the person who reaches the source first and knows the people who call the shots in the constituency who get funding. So, it is important that we have a formula that will identify and list needy students.
Thank you very much, hon. Deputy Speaker. I would like to commend Hon. Gatobu as I support the Motion that has been moved by the able Member. Data bank is key in the sense that we are throwing good money by doing what the previous speaker has just said. You will find that a student is given bursary this year or this term and then, there is no bursary for him or her the following term.
Bursary is allocated on the basis that the student is poor. I have a fundamental problem with this Motion the way it is framed now. That is because we have to agree, as a country, that education is not only for bright students. That is why our focus should be on poor students and not bright students. If you only take it to bright students, then we will be missing the point. Let us focus on the needy and poor students whether they score 250 marks out of 500 marks.
In some parts of this country, if a child scores 200 marks out of 500 marks, he or she is a bright student. That is according to me. That is because of what hon. Wario has just said. Some students go to school under very difficult circumstances. If they can pull themselves and score 200 marks out of 500 marks, they should be considered as bright pupils. I think the focus should be on poor students. There should be no much ado about bright students.
Hon. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we should be planning 100 per cent for students from primary schools who join secondary school due to the free primary school education. That is why, as we prepare the data bank, the Government should be informed that we need to up our allocation for bursaries for the graduation of children from primary school to secondary school, to ensure that every one who gets a chance to join secondary school is able to carry on with education from Form I to Form IV without any break.
The problem we have in every sector in this country is that of exclusion, where some people get while others do not get. It starts very early; as early as primary school where some children get fees while others do not get. The same case applies to secondary schools. At the university, some students get help while others do not. I think we must have a system that includes everybody, wherever the apportioning of public resources arises.
Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker for giving me an opportunity to contribute to this amended Motion. Information is key. Most needy students cannot access the bursaries in financial institutions, the CDF and the Ministry of Education because parents are not aware of that availability of funds. I believe we should have a data bank so that we know the needy students from each ward and constituency. Many students have lost opportunities to attend national schools. I have a case in point of a student in my constituency who was called to join a very prestigious school called Maranda Boys but he was unable to join it because of lack of school fees. I would propose that as much as we would like to have a data bank we should also think of doubling the bursary kitty in the CDF. Most of the activities have now been devolved to the counties. We were building hospitals, nursery schools and roads using the CDF money. We can now propose that because these activities have been devolved to the counties we double the bursary allocation so that many needy students can access the bursary fund. There is need also for the Ministry of Education to come out clearly on the way they disburse the bursary funds to the needy students. You will always hear that money has been allocated to the districts. However, you will not know the number of students who have benefitted from the same fund. You will not know where they get information about the availability of funds. I propose that principals of institutions should also be incorporated in giving us the information. This is because they are the ones who are aware of the needy students in their schools. People in our constituencies have myriad problems. We, therefore, need to support these students. In this year’s budget funds have been channeled to day schools. I propose that each constituency should have a number of day schools to cater for such needy cases.
Thank you Madam Deputy Speaker for giving me the opportunity to contribute to this timely Motion. I have a history of having worked with an organization that has been sponsoring children poor backgrounds. The opportunities lost by children from poor backgrounds are very clear in my mind. Many students who get fewer marks are not helped. Just last week I placed a child at Naivasha High School. He had scored 371 marks and would not be admitted in a day school somewhere. He came to me for assistance in June, 2013. I was very disappointed. I could say that, perhaps, this Motion has come on my behalf. I would like to suggest that we harmonize the bursaries. There are students who get bursaries during the first term and in second term they are denied. Bursaries from the CDF and the Ministry of Education need to be harmonized. The data bank would be the best point of reference. This is because all those who get opportunities will permanently be on that list. For those who went to school many years ago, the competition was not as it is today. The disadvantaged children are mostly found at the primary level. You know the case of
Thank you Madam Deputy Speaker. I rise to support this Motion as amended. All of us are aware that in the early 1960s and 1970s if a child from a poor family was admitted to a national school people would rally around to support the child. However, this social fabric has since died out. More often than not students from poor families upon admission to national schools usually are forced to go to day schools. This reduces their chances of doing well in the university. We are aware that birth is an accident of time and place. These children did not choose to be born in those poor conditions. We have bursary kitties. As we talk of the public data base it is important that we have serious co-ordination so that people do not benefit twice. The Constitution is very clear under Article 53(1)(b). It guarantees every child the right to free and compulsory education. However, serious modalities need to be put in place if we have to centralize this kitty at the county level. In most cases those who stand to benefit are not those who deserve the most. If we have to derive maximum benefit out of this we need to ensure that students joining Form One are seen through to Form Four. With those few remarks I support the Motion.
Madam Deputy Speaker, I rise to support this Motion as amended. I would also like to congratulate my colleague, hon. Gatobu for coming up with this brilliant idea. I realize that poor Kenyans are becoming poorer by the day. As much as we want to come up with this data bank, I would urge the Government to come up with good policies which will help in the alleviation of poverty. This will enable parents to take their children to school. As hon. Ochieng noted, we have bright students, but we also have others who have no opportunity to continue with school. I remember Dr. Carson the American neurosurgeon. He used to come last in his class, but he came to realize his potential letter. Today he is the best neurosurgeon we have in this world. Most of the students realize their potential late in life. If the Government can support all students from poor backgrounds we will be in a position to get the best quality in their lives. I also want to urge that these students be directly absorbed by the HELB so that we have at least 80 per cent admission from secondary schools to our universities and colleges. I realized that most of these students after they complete Form Four they start taking alcohol. You will find them loitering in the streets. If they can be transited to colleges and universities we will have a good population of young people. I support this Motion.
Madam Deputy Speaker, I rise to support this Motion as amended. It is said the shoe wearer knows where it pinches. I rise to say this because it is true that poverty through fund raisings and everything has seen me where I am today. So, what Hon. Kinoti has said is very critical. A student or pupil who has scored 70 per cent is an A student and the probability of succeeding is very high. That is why we are saying that this database is very important. I just want to say that it should be updated; not just creating one and you forget because as times goes by, we have other needy cases coming
Your time is up! I can see your passion.
Madam Deputy Speaker, thank you for giving me this opportunity to contribute towards this Motion. I also like to thank the Mover of the Motion, Hon. Kinoti for coming up with this idea at the right time. I want to support this Motion as amended by my colleague, Hon. (Ms.) Wanga and say that it is time that came up with a public databank so that we ensure that our students go through school at the right time. We have seen that for most of the students admitted in schools; most of them cannot be retained through the entire process of four years in high school because of problems of poverty and other things that we always see. At this juncture, I want to thank Equity Bank. In my constituency, Equity Bank has been of great help though the wings to fly initiative. I have seen them take a good number of my students to public universities and secondary schools. I want to encourage some of the multinationals in our counties like Brooke Bond, African Islands and Septic Islands to do the same so they plough back what they get so that our students get bursaries. What they actually get so that our students get bursaries.
I want to say that this is a very good Motion. I wish to urge the Government to ensure that we get the databank so that we ensure that students from very poor backgrounds complete school. At the same time, I also want to urge the Government to listen to the voices of teachers. I know teachers have issues. In 1997, the negotiation they had at that time, I want to urge the Government that they ensure the teachers are paid their remuneration so that they can go back to school and make sure that our students read, learn and get out of school.
Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker, thank you for giving me this opportunity to contribute to this Motion. I want to start by congratulating and thanking the hon. Member, Hon. Kinoti for giving this issue some thought and bringing this very important Motion and also support the amendment by Hon. (Ms.) Wanga that also added value to what Hon. Kinoti had brought.
I want to speak as a Member who has served this House now for two terms and say that the biggest challenge facing our country today is that of poverty and as a result many able brilliant students cannot complete their secondary education which is a basic right. Many of them have had to drop out of school and the rate is very high. Many bright students who end up in boarding schools that are expensive are unable to continue or join because they cannot afford it. as a result, it is very important that we have this public databank that becomes mandatory for every public institution and any institution providing bursary to look at so that we do not have bias in the way the bursary is awarded. Sometimes you find, as hon. Members, the CDF being used for friends or relatives. So with such a databank, a Member of Parliament has no excuses but to give bursaries to those deserving. We also have the bursary kitty that comes through the Ministry of Education which, although hon. Members have been asked to give their chairman of the CDF to sit in the committee, does not have much influence on who ends up being awarded. Therefore, I hope that with this public databank, we can focus on the very needy.
I want to go a step further and say that for as long as we continue to receive the CDF of 2.5 per cent, we will not manage to give to as many deserving cases as possible bursaries. That money, on the face value, looks like a lot because if a constituency gets between Kshs60 million to Kshs70 million, it looks much but because of the needs of that constituency, the amount of money you end up allocating to bursaries of even Kshs7 million or Kshs8 million per year---
Your time is up!
Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. I take it to thank the Mover of the Motion for having brought this timely Motion. Also like my brother from Kericho has just said, I also want to take this opportunity to thank Equity Bank because of the good work that they are doing for this bright and needy children all over the country.
Thirdly, much as we do not like the media, I would also want to take this opportunity to thank them for occasionally highlighting some of these cases where the needy and bright students are denied an opportunity. Whenever they bring this issue to the media, maybe within a week or so, we find that these children have benefited. Hon. Deputy Speaker, it is a bright idea to have this databank so that we can have some basis where we can collect data. As hon. Wanga had said, it should be compulsory for all the institutions giving bursaries to be compelled to use that databank. I am saying this because recently when I was orienting myself on issues to do with monies that are sent to the District Education Officer (DEO), we came to realize that children of officers from KRA and other banking institutions were beneficiaries of this fund. So, with this kind of databank, these are issues which cannot be able to arise. It was
Thank you hon. Deputy Speaker. I rise to support this Motion as amended, and I would like to reiterate that education is liberation. For us to change this country and move it forward, we need to liberate our young men and women by educating them. The late of poverty is increasing in this country. We are becoming a country that really does not care about the poor people. Hon. Deputy Speaker, I stand here today because people cared about my education. I was not born in a rich family, but because somebody cared and gave me support, I am here today. That is why a couple of years ago, I went ahead and started a foundation to help needy people. Let us not all depend on the Government, but find ways of helping others. We hon. Members should come together I think on how we can help a lot of people. Hon. Deputy Speaker, one other issue is also about school fees, which is ever unending increase of school fees. Our schools have always increased school fees and it has become so high that middle class families cannot afford to take their children to school. The Government needs to come up with a mechanism to control the rising school fees for our children. The Government provides money for free secondary education, but still school fees are still too high that parents cannot afford. So, as much as we want to have that databank, as much as we want to give scholarships; if we do not come up with a mechanism to reduce school fees in this country and to tame the ever rising school fees, we will not help much. Hon. Deputy Speaker, as I support this Motion on establishing the databank, we have to be careful that that databank does not be corrupted to only involve children of friends. Let us make sure that we have more option. We should give people more options of finding ways of helping these children from poor families. You might be rich today and tomorrow you become poor, how about if you are not in the databank. Are you going to miss the scholarship? Let us not discriminate these people. Let us make sure that we find ways of including everybody and helping those who are needy. I call upon this House to support this Motion so that we can help the poor and also increase the scholarship amount that we give to CDF. It is currently 2.5 per cent; let us make it 3.5 or higher, because if we focus there, we are going to have a lot people. Thank you, hon. Deputy Speaker. I support.
All right. The hon. Member on my right, could you please introduce yourself? I understand you have a beautiful constituency of young people in the galleries, who have come to see the august House. Do you have an intervention?
Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity. My name is hon. John Karanja Kihagi. I want to acknowledge the presence of Fahari Academy from Naivasha who are here with us. Fahari Academy is a school which my wife and I are directors and, we sponsored quite a number of needy students. So, when hon. Kinoti brought this Motion of a databank on needy students or pupils, it actually touched my heart. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to say that we have all been out there giving bursaries for the last few weeks and we have seen how bursaries are managed in this country. We have seen how the needy children are deprived of opportunities of benefitting from Government bursaries. We have also seen how bright students are denied the opportunity to achieve their best. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, Fahari Academy has the motto of becoming the best. For that reason, there is need to use the resources around here for those needy Kenyans. This country has resources that can assist bright and needy students to become the best that they can. When you look at the resources that are being wasted out there; and when you look at those people who are benefitting from the money that the Government provides, through the CDF or through the Ministry of Education. The people who are getting the money are the able ones, but because of greed and dishonor, they are not able to reach the very needy children in our society. That is why I say that hon. Kinoti Gatobu’s Motion is very important. Information is power and the key in the lives of many people here in Kenya. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, we live in the information age. If we can have this databank, it will help us, it will help the needy and it will also help to disseminate information all over the country such that, even as we get philanthropist; people who want to assist in supporting the needy students, we will already have a databank with us and we will be having some information as hon. Members so that we can channel some of this aid that is going to help our constituents. Parents in our constituencies are going to help this country because when a bright child is not empowered; we also know that he can use that brightness to do some very destructive things that will not help the community. With those remarks, I want to support the Motion and urge hon. Kinoti Gatobu to develop the Motion into a Bill, to ensure that we have this databank which will be very crucial for our country and for our youth, who are actually the major beneficiaries of that. Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I support.
It is now 10.50 a.m. We want to call the Mover to reply.
Thank you very much, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. Before I reply on the issues raised, I beg to donate three minutes to hon. Wanyonyi to give some contribution.
Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, for the opportunity. I would like to appreciate the mover of this Motion for donating his time to me. As we debate about education for the children who come from poor backgrounds, I also wish to add a leaf that there are students with special needs who are also bright. Sometimes, these needy students are forgotten because in most cases, they are not taken to school. If we can establish this databank even for these children with special needs, they can also benefit from the allocation of bursary so that they can also be taken to school. It is a fundamental right that all children benefit from education. It is a fundamental right that all the children must be given education. I have personally contributed to the education of some of these children and some of them can make it great heights if they are given an opportunity. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, we should also streamline the Higher Education Loans Board. This is an area where students who have struggled and made it to institutions of higher learning are denied opportunities to get loans. Some of these funds are given to undeserving students. So, if we streamline the manner of allocation of these funds, then the bright students from poor backgrounds can also benefit from this. This Motion has come at the right time. If we can harmonize what the CDF and the Ministry of Education, Science and Technology are doing, these children can benefit a lot from these funds. With those few remarks, I support the Motion.
Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I wish to request your guidance on the minutes that I am left with.
Hon. Gatobu, you must be in charge of your Motion. You have seven minutes.
Thank you, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. In the interest of how emotive this issue is, I wish to donate one minute to hon. Beatrice, one minute to hon. Chanzu and one minute to hon. Melly.
As you please, but we are going to keep time.
Thank you, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. Hon. Beatrice Nyaga, hon. Mary and hon. Chanzu.
Thank you, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. I stand to support this Motion. It is a very important Motion that has been brought by hon. Gatobu. I support it as amended. It is very important that we have a data base, so that we can know which child needs support. The Constitution provides that every child has a right to get education. At the same time, how do we identify these children? How do we know where they are? So, the data bank is going to give us a formula on how we are going to distribute whatever resources that we have to support the needy children. I belong to this category and my parents struggled to bring up to where I am, but if we had these kinds of resources and the information, maybe my parents could not have struggled the way they did. So, I
Thank you very much, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. This is a very important and timely Motion. Majority of the students who qualify to join secondary schools come from poor families. We have had a problem because the people who should have kept the records should have been the teachers who teach these children from the lower primary up to the time they sit for the Kenya Certificate of Primary Education (KCPE). It is going to be useful because it is not possible to help when you do not know the children that you are supposed to help. There is the issue of the Constitution, which is very important, but there is also the issue of the implementation. When we come to actualize this Motion into a Bill, the Mover must put in place measures to make sure that we implement what is in the Constitution. This is law, but when it comes to adherence to the law; following and implementation, that is where the problem is.
Thank you very much, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. I want to thank the Mover of this Motion, hon. Gatobu. This Motion is very timely. It is very important especially for our country. Over 40 per cent of our population is very poor and needy. You will realize that education is the only equalizer. It is the only thing that will make the society move forward. The CDF is allocating about 15 per cent. It is also important that this House compels the county governments to ensure that they also allocate part of their incomes to assisting the needy. The large multi-national companies should also assist.
Thank you very much, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise with deep gratitude to God and to this House for giving me a chance to change the lives of the children of this dear nation.
When the youths of this nation have taken leadership, they have done a lot of lift their fellow youths that they left outside. I wish to acknowledge the contribution done in this nation by the young leaders who went before us like Tom Mboya and the famous Mboya Loyalists and the people they produced like hon. Wangari Maathai and my first professor at the University of Nairobi, Prof. Nzomo. In the spirit of lifting my fellow youths out there and the young children that I have been teaching for the last eight years, I brought this Motion before this House to see what we should do to change the destiny of our young Kenyans. I am very happy that in time of need, the Members of this House have responded in an appropriate way. This is the first step towards making that dream come true.
This is an area that I am very passionate about. I was not brought up in an area that is very different from the poverty that stricken Kenyans all over. My grandfather was a carpenter and he worked so hard and his first born daughter, my mother, became a teacher in the same school where he was a carpenter. The literature teacher worked so hard that I became the writer that I am and in 2010, I won the Writer of the Year Award. I have seen what education can do to this dear nation. My other grandfather was a peasant living in the largest rural slum in Kenya, namely, Machaka in Mburi. He worked so hard that my father became a teacher and the son of a teacher became the Member of
Hon. Members, I thank you for the debates that we have had in this House this morning. Because of reasons that have been brought to the Speaker’s attention, we will defer this Motion to the next session. I am also informed that the next contributors in the next Motion are apparently not in the House but we will come to that. So, so far as this Motion is concerned we will put the Question in the next business of the House.
Hon. Jude Njomo is not around to prosecute his Motion. We will defer it to next week.
(Hon. Kajwang)Hon. Tiya Galgalo. You have sympathy of the Speaker. I understand that you have had to come from hospital and you are not in a position to prosecute your Motion. We will defer it to the afternoon if you get the chance.
Hon. James Opiyo Wandayi. Hon. Wandayi is not here? I think I have to send a very strong word to the Whips of this House that they need to prepare the contributors and the prosecutors in good time because we have to handle this not at your convenience hon. Members but at the convenience of the Speaker and the Clerks at the Table. We will also defer this Motion to the afternoon after we have prosecuted the Motion of hon. Tiya Galgalo.
Hon. Members, may you rise. This House stands adjourned until this afternoon at 2.30 p.m. Thank you.