{"id":1125408,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1125408/?format=json","text_counter":565,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Ndhiwa, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. Martin Owino","speaker":{"id":13449,"legal_name":"Martin Peters Owino","slug":"martin-peters-owino"},"content":" Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I realise what the Member is saying. But when making legislation, we have to give the Judiciary leeway to make their judgment. Fines are not meant to kill people, but to correct them; so, we cannot kill by prescribing major fines like that."}