{"id":1125553,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1125553/?format=json","text_counter":710,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Ndhiwa, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. Martin Owino","speaker":{"id":13449,"legal_name":"Martin Peters Owino","slug":"martin-peters-owino"},"content":" Hon. Deputy Chairlady, I also rise to oppose this. I think Hon. Shamalla meant well, but normally they take ten years. In very rare circumstances, can they take 55 years. We will not say you cannot destroy because even at that elevated level, you can give birth to something else. Life starting at conception is okay in the right place in the womb, but you cannot transfer in the test tube and freeze. So, I oppose"}