{"id":1339457,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1339457/?format=json","text_counter":698,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Kisumu East, Independent","speaker_title":"Hon. Shakeel Shabbir","speaker":{"id":140,"legal_name":"Ahmed Shakeel Shabbir Ahmed","slug":"shakeel-shabbir"},"content":" Hon. Temporary Chairman, I am not a lawyer. Ignorance of the law is no excuse whatsoever. So, whether he knows or does not know, if it is against the law, he should be charged. So, I am surprised that I hear this from a seasoned lawyer. We may need to look at it from its perspective. But the point of the law that I understand is whether you know or do not know is not an excuse."}