{"id":1496750,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1496750/?format=json","text_counter":712,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Kitui Central, WDM","speaker_title":"Hon. (Dr) Mulu Makali","speaker":null,"content":"One of them, which is critical, is this: when you are introducing a new programme, if you are programmatic in terms of thinking, there is always what we call the piloting phase. This is where you pilot, and as a result of the lessons learnt from piloting, you can then roll out to the whole country. I think that is what Hon. (Dr) Gideon Ochanda is saying. We missed the interface and that is why we are facing so many challenges in terms of the transitional phase."}