{"id":1497654,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1497654/?format=json","text_counter":649,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Uasin Gishu County, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. Gladys Boss","speaker":null,"content":" Integrity. Someone is corrupt because they have a personality defect. It has nothing to do with their education. If we look at the most successful co-operatives from the time of my grandfather, like Keiyo Co-operative Society, the managers were not well educated. However, it was well managed. They bought buildings and they invested. Today, their own grandchildren and great-grandchildren cannot do the same. It was not because they were educated. We need to remember that we already have structures in place. We are in a better place because of devolution. Most counties have been encouraged to have a co-operative officer in every ward. I know that Elgeyo Marakwet County is one of the counties that has done that. They have co-operative officers, a Member of the County Executive Committee in charge of Co-operatives at the county and they also have the commissioner of co-operatives for the county, who reports to the Ministry of Co-operatives here in Nairobi. They are the ones who are supposed to be supervising and interrogating the books. That is why I said that corruption is with the co-operative officers and the commissioners of co-operatives who are domiciled under the Ministry."}