{"id":164997,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/164997/?format=json","text_counter":777,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Ms. Odhiambo","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":119,"legal_name":"Alfred Bwire Odhiambo","slug":"alfred-bwire"},"content":"Mr. Temporary Deputy Chairman, Sir, if you look at Clause 61, it gives certain categories of persons the power to deal with interests of children except as per Clause 62. Clause 62 says that we shall not put a trust in the same manner that you can put a mortgage or a lien."}