{"id":274062,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/274062/?format=json","text_counter":524,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Musyoka","speaker_title":"The Vice-President and Minister for Home Affairs","speaker":{"id":188,"legal_name":"Stephen Kalonzo Musyoka","slug":"kalonzo-musyoka"},"content":" Mr. Chairman, indeed, this is a very healthy debate and I want to congratulate those who have spoken before me for being very candid. I want to encourage all of us, including the Member for Gem, the hon. Chief Whip, Jakoyo Midiwo. He made a very strong allegation that he thinks nothing has really changed. It is very obvious to all of us that devolution is a reality in this country. I have no doubt in my mind that this country has changed forever. What we are involved in is an exercise where we want to be very honest with ourselves. I heard the learned Attorney-General talk about the process of consultation. I think what is actually happening here, in my view, is very healthy consultations. When the Minister for Justice, National Cohesion and Constitutional Affairs said that the debate is unconstitutional--- He is my learned senior and I differ with him. I think that the only thing we are concerned with here is whether the President has acted constitutionally or not."}