{"id":36183,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/36183/?format=json","text_counter":306,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. Munya","speaker_title":"The Assistant Minister for East African Community","speaker":{"id":279,"legal_name":"Joseph Konzolo Munyao","slug":"joseph-munyao"},"content":" Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, that is an argument and I am saying that if you want the poor man to afford the high matatu fare, do not give a subsidy as it will help even somebody who does not use a matatu . Give that person the money directly. The Government is already doing that, but we are saying it needs to upscale it. There is already a programme by the Government of transferring money to poor people, or giving monthly stipends to poor families in Kenya. What we are saying is, expand that programme. Give stipends to a bigger percentage of the society instead of trying to subsidise lifestyles of rich people. Experience has also shown that when you subsidise a product, this leads to over- consumption of it by those people who will not feel the pinch. They will overspend on it as they will use it for leisure."}