{"id":43208,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/43208/?format=json","text_counter":409,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Eng. Gumbo","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":24,"legal_name":"Nicholas Gumbo","slug":"nicholas-gumbo"},"content":"Mr. Chairman, Sir, I also want to agree with the Minister that the proposed deletion of Clause 4 be opposed and that we retain it because it is very important that the roles of the Commission and the Secretariat be separated, even if it means---"}