{"id":484954,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/484954/?format=json","text_counter":461,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. M’uthari","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":1576,"legal_name":"Joseph M'eruaki M'uthari","slug":"joseph-meruaki-muthari"},"content":"Then at the public level, we have reached as level where, when something is mentioned, they want a referendum. When governors are mentioned, they say that devolution is under attack. I think it is high time that understanding is created within Kenyans so that, at the end of the day, issues related to the bigger picture are not connected to a few individuals. There are so many leaders who are spending all their time in meetings in the name of protecting devolution. Who is against devolution?"}