{"id":518044,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/518044/?format=json","text_counter":382,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. (Eng.) Gumbo","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":24,"legal_name":"Nicholas Gumbo","slug":"nicholas-gumbo"},"content":"Thank you, hon. Deputy Speaker. As engineers, we always say that you cannot fix it unless you can measure it. I have looked at the definition of “disadvantaged group” but as we go into the main Bill which is coming, while I do not intend to anticipate debate, let us find a way of identifying disadvantaged groups without perception because perception as you know is subjective. I am also happy that hon. (Dr.) Shaban brought in the issue of black economic empowerment programme. I witnessed The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."}