{"id":578896,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/578896/?format=json","text_counter":331,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Oyoo","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":2408,"legal_name":"James Onyango Oyoo","slug":"james-onyango-oyoo"},"content":"Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. The courts should be allowed and the judges should not be gagged. If we are clear, since I started listening to the debate, there is something called good faith. Good faith should be reciprocal. If you act against me in good faith, I will also reciprocate with good faith. If it is not in good faith, then it should not be in good faith. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Members in this House should not fear being taken to court so long as what they do is lawful and in good faith. Giving leeway to Members is very reminiscent in Committees where Members drag in even the names of innocent people who have no opportunity to defend themselves. If we are going to give blanket cover that anybody who mentions anybody’s name so long as it is in the Floor of the House or in a Committee meeting cannot be taken to court, all of us are going to suffer direct or collateral damages. I do not think anybody should fear. In view of the separation of powers, we will be going too far to gag the courts. By way of substantiation, I was saying that Gor Sungu’s case has been referred to and many people have expressed a lot of sympathy on him. In substantiation, at the time he took over the matter, the Ouko case had been adjudicated at a very high level. The Judicial Service Commission (JSC) had gone very far; they had made their reports. Unfortunately, when they were supposed to close in on the real culprits who are big people, it was cut down by the powers-that-be of those days. I expected Gor Sungu at that time to have gone for the fat cats who had killed Ouko. They were not small people. But when he took over, people who were supposed to be his key witnesses like us---"}