{"id":581279,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/581279/?format=json","text_counter":275,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Oyugi","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":444,"legal_name":"Augostinho Neto Oyugi","slug":"augostinho-neto-oyugi"},"content":"Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman. If you look at Clause 11, it reads in part in 11(b) we are seeking to delete the words “or magistrate” appearing immediately after the word “judge”. My understanding of that English is that the word that is being deleted is “or magistrate” and the same is carried to Clause 13. I just think that Hon. Gethenji in his explanation seeks to do the reverse. He is explaining to us that we are deleting “judge” and leaving “magistrate”. So, if he wants to ouster the jurisdiction of magistrates that is clear. But if at all what he intends to do is to ouster the jurisdiction of the judges that is another story all together."}