{"id":654725,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/654725/?format=json","text_counter":454,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. (Eng.) Gumbo","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":24,"legal_name":"Nicholas Gumbo","slug":"nicholas-gumbo"},"content":"much less. In all our Bills, it has always been a fine on conviction. I just want clarification on why he is using the word “penalty” and not the word “fine”."}