{"id":806415,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/806415/?format=json","text_counter":155,"type":"other","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"We should not ask Sen. (Dr.) Kabaka to substantiate for the bigger sin is not what he said and the country is not concerned about what he said. Instead, the country is concerned about the illegal importation of sugar which is toxic. We have not answered that question to a level where the country can be satisfied that the Government which is in control is taking care of our borders and is looking after our agricultural sector. In fact, you will find that these sugar cartels are the ones who are permeating and are the source of the raw capital which is used to enable other cartels that are operating in the Government as a whole. I am glad that Sen. (Dr.) Kabaka talked about Hon. Shikuku. There was a day that hon. Shikuku said some things that we have to remember. People once complained that the people who are importing sugar in this country are Indians. However, hon. Shikuku said that the people who were giving the licenses were not Indians for Indians were not working in Central Bank or the Ministry of Trade and neither are they presiding over some licensing authorities. The people who are enabling this illegal trade and activities to go on are people who are very high up in the higher echelons of Government. If this answer is not given, then these things that we are talking about such as the Big Four Agenda and all that, will not make any sense to some people in western part of Kenya and the coastal region where there is a budding sugar factory coming up. It is now terrible. If you go to a hotel and order a cup of tea, you will not be sure if you are taking a substance that will end your life. There was a time when we had the alternative of drinking water from our rivers. Today, our rivers are contaminated. It is a pity that virtually everything is contaminated. I want to say without fear of contradiction, that there will be a time that we will join Sen. (Dr.) Kabaka in naming names of individuals involved in this scandal. It is still early to do so now. However, if nothing happens, we will name them. In this county, there is a lot of fear. The reason why we wanted to change the Constitution is that if anybody under the sun is responsible for any illegal activity, whether he is the President of the Republic of Kenya or the Commander of the Armed Forces, we are able to put them to account. I am seeing something happening in Jubilee Party which I used to see in the old days. As soon as you mention the name “president,” people get into a state of panic. The only person who is not subjected to the Constitution of the Republic of Kenya and not answerable to it, is the Almighty God. Everybody else is under the Constitution."}