{"id":827954,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/827954/?format=json","text_counter":557,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Seme, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. (Dr.) James Nyikal","speaker":{"id":434,"legal_name":"James Nyikal","slug":"james-nyikal"},"content":" The issue here is that in many of these cadres, you have people who are degree and diploma holders. The pursuit has been that to a large extent, a large number of them have been diploma holders. Then we have a few of them who are degree holders. So, if you start by having a degree, then you will be locking out a very large number of members. On the other hand, even if we include diploma holders, it does not block degree holders. They can still hold the position."}